The Rational Middle

Writer and activist Jessica Goudeau sits down with host Loren Steffy to discuss her book, "After The Last Border," and the consequences, implications, and emotions of America's changing attitude towards refugees.

Chief Andy Harvey, newly-elected police chief for Pharr, TX, sits down with host Gregory Kallenberg for a frank discussion of his experience working in embattled immigrant communities and the importance of community policing.

Join host Melissa Brannan as she sits down with Mauricio Zuñiga to listen to his incredible story — a story of deportation, resilience, and a family-run coffee company.

Rational Middle hosts Chris Lyon, Gregory Kallenberg, and Loren Steffy unveil a "fun" new summit, and consider the implications of VP Harris's much-discussed border visits.

Picking up where we left off last week, Aviva Chomsky leads us through the legacy of 20th-Century revolutionary movements in Central America and what it means for immigration policy today.

Catherine Glazer, immigration attorney with experience practicing in Canada as well as the U.S., sits down with host Melissa Brannan. to discuss the unique challenges and opportunities for immigration reform in both countries.

Jennifer Minear, outgoing president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, gives host Melissa Brannan the lowdown on the strategies, challenges, and hopes facing immigration lawyers as a result of the Trump administration.

Holly Kuzmich, Executive Director of the George W. Bush Center, speaks with host Chris Lyon about the Center's bipartisan approach to immigration advocacy, including their open letter to Congress stressing the need for holistic immigration reform.

Sociologist Ruth Milkman, editor most recently of Immigration Matters: Movements, Visions, and Strategies for a Progressive Future (with Deepak Bhargava and Penny Lewis), joins host Chris Lyon in thinking through the reasons behind the common depiction of immigrant labor as the robbing of American jobs.