In this deeply moving continuation of their conversation, Dr. Chez Leeby and Stephanie Boye welcome back Betsy Stephenson, author of *Blackbird*, for Part 2 of her powerful interview. Together, they explore the hidden signs of depression, especially in young men, through the lens of Betsy's late son, Charlie. The conversation spans parental grief, early mental health interventions, the need for community conversations, and the urgent importance of creating supportive environments for young people. This episode is a raw, empathetic, and essential look at the complexities of depression, grief, and healing.

"Depression is enough. Depression is huge. And that is enough of a reason." - Dr. Chez Leeby 

"If the kid had just gotten some breakfast, he might still be here." - Betsy Stephenson 

 

Topics Discussed:

• Misunderstood signs of depression in young men (irritability, frustration, lack of sleep/appetite)
• Personal reflections from Betsy and Dr. Chez on depression and emotional expression
• Charlie's story and the hidden struggles masked by outward success
• The coping mechanisms that may help change "the channel" during depressive episodes
• Betsy's unique experience writing her book during active grief
• The danger of toxic positivity and denying one's right to feel bad
• The cultural stigma around talking about suicide and grief
• Calls for mental health infrastructure in fraternities and college communities
• Importance of early intervention and recognizing symptoms in childhood

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Trigger Warning

00:19 Interview with Betsy Stephenson Begins

00:54 Understanding Depression in Males

02:57 Personal Experiences with Depression

07:17 Coping Mechanisms and Therapy

08:42 The Importance of Open Conversations

13:22 Early Signs and Seeking Help

23:08 The Impact of Transitions and Modern Pressures

27:05 The Danger of Comparison and Grief

28:12 The Importance of Validating All Feelings

28:42 The Pressure of Perfection

30:55 Betsy's Unique Approach to Writing About Grief

37:38 The Power of Checking on Friends

44:55 Addressing Depression and Mental Health in Fraternities

49:35 Recognizing the Signs of Depression

52:32 Final Thoughts and Resources

 

Resources Mentioned:

- *Blackbird* by Betsey Stevenson — [Buy the book](https://www.betseystevenson.com) 

  A memoir about grief and healing written in real-time by a mother who lost her son to suicide.

- National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline — [Call or text 988](https://988lifeline.org) 

  Free, confidential support available 24/7.

 

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