Good friend and fellow PCA pastor Rick Phillips joins Kevin to talk about the new book The Redeemed Man and why men don’t need a reactionary model for manhood but a comprehensive biblical model. That’s the last part of the episode, but mainly Kevin talks to Rick about redemption in his own life—from Rick’s upbringing from an elite Army family, to his conversion on James Montgomery Boice’s preaching, to his years teaching at West Point, to his time at Westminster, to his many decades in pastoral ministry.