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In a series of highlights from earlier episodes, Kerry and Gregory explain what the Reformed Libertarians Podcast is about, their confessionally Reformed view of Romans 13, what their practical strategy is, how the goal they are working towards is entirely realistic, and how they address a prominent objection raised by, perhaps, most people.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/020
Main Points of Discussion
00:00 Start
00:32 Episode description
01:10 First highlight from episode 1: https://reformedlibertarians.com/001
09:56 Second highlight from episode 2: https://reformedlibertarians.com/002
16:12 Third highlight from episode 8: https://reformedlibertarians.com/008
26:33 Fourth highlight from episode 12: https://reformedlibertarians.com/012
37:43 Fifth highlight from episode 14: https://reformedlibertarians.com/014
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
In this bonus episode, we interview Dr. David VanDrunen. We consider his reply on several points to Pastor Taylor Drummond's critical article that we discuss in episode 17. The title of that article is "Fool's Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen's account of state legitimacy" and it examines particular arguments in David VanDrunen's book Politics After Christendom.
VanDrunen expresses his appreciation for Drummond's article and our episode discussing it, raises questions concerning immoral complicity if the state is taken to be illegitimate, offers some clarification about his (up to this point) not having differentiated monopoly states from non-monopolistic civil governance in his writing, raises questions concerning what sort of consent is normative for the customary legal order's own legitimacy and its authorizing function, raises the question of when abuse or injustice might categorically disqualify one from rightfully possessing authoritative office and its relation to political resistance, and, at the end, responds to our proposal how a fuller, non-aggressionist view of proportionality in the lex talionis of the Noahic Covenant entails a conclusive argument in favor of the exclusively "protectionist" purpose of civil governance law.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/bonusC
Main Points of Discussion
00:00 Introduction
00:09 Episode description
02:15 Prefatory statements
05:37 The question of immoral complicity
16:30 Clarifying matters of complicity
21:13 The question of civil governance vs. monopoly state
27:55 Distinguishing normativity from de facto (non-)conformity to norms
31:00 The question of legitimizing consent
35:56 Distinguishing compliance under duress (by aggression)
40:45 The question of abuse/tyranny and de-legitimization
45:20 The question of a conclusive protectionist-only view
49:32 Remaining uncertainty about Scriptural “regulative principle” for civil governance
52:29 Closing remarks
Additional Resources
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
A reading of edited excerpts from the article “On The General Relation Of Religion, Metaphysics, and Science” by Dr Roy A. Clouser, presenting the Neo-Calvinist view of what has been called The Myth Of Religious Neutrality. The predominant Scholastic view of the general relation is summarized, followed by a summary of the Neo-Calvinist, or Reformational view. According to the Neo-Calvinist view, the way in which religious belief guides theories is then summarized, the view of religious belief is further explained, how religious belief within a given metaphysics affects science is further explained, and a prominent objection is answered.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/019
Main Points of Discussion
00:00 Introduction
00:32 Episode description
03:29 The Scholastic View
07:46 The Neo-Calvinist (Reformational) View
13:34 Scientific theories guided by a basic view of reality
17:47 A basic view of reality guided by a religious belief
19:02 More about religious belief
27:11 How religious belief within a metaphysics affects science
37:03 Example of atomic theory
40:13 An objection answered
Additional Resources
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
We discuss the teaching mission of the institutional church, its relation to the church’s statements of faith, and what the institutional church must and may not teach about politics on several important points. We talk about the Reformed confessional view of submission to civil governance, the recent failure of some churches in the face of unlawful state dictates, the error of theonomic views, and how a biblically Reformed covenantal hermeneutic informs a correct view of general equity.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/018
Main Points of Discussion
00:00 Introduction
00:32 Episode description
01:00 Why are we discussing this?
02:15 What is the church’s teaching mission?
05:07 One way the Reformed confessions are part of the church’s mission
07:34 False teaching about submission to God-ordained civil governance
13:43 Not a matter of political theory
14:53 False teaching of original and so-called “general equity theonomy”
19:28 Proper meaning of general equity
24:30 The Reformed biblical covenantal hermeneutic
30:39 Recap
32:53 Disestablishmentarianism and Biblical criterion of proportional retribution
Additional Resources:
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
An interview with Pastor Taylor Drummond about his article “Fool’s Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen’s account of state legitimacy,” which appreciatively, but critically, examines arguments in the book Politics After Christendom by Dr. David VanDrunen. Pastor Drummond introduces himself and recounts how he became a confessional, Calvinistic Baptist, and a libertarian-anarchist. He speaks about how VanDrunen’s biblical arguments for the legitimacy of the state fail his own standard for justifying the state. Drummond also explains how VanDrunen’s theoretical argument is at odds with his own view of law, justice, and rights, and is in tension with many of his economic and theological insights.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/017
Main Points Of Discussion
00:00 Introduction
00:32 Episode description
01:50 About Pastor Drummond
06:54 VanDrunen’s brief biblical arguments and Drummond’s response
17:22 Monopoly, Noahic covenant, and negative natural rights
24:26 VanDrunen’s view of customary legal order
27:50 Drummond’s response on law and rights
34:44 Need for clearly distinguishing just and unjust coercion
38:56 Protectionism, sin, politicization, and inefficiency
47:29 Concluding thoughts
Additional Resources
Article discussed: “Fool’s Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen’s account of state legitimacy,” by Taylor Drummond: https://libertarianchristians.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/CLR-5-Drummond.pdf
Politics After Christendom by David VanDrunen: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310108845/
Taylor Drummond
congregation: Grace Community Church, Allentown PA https://gracecommunityallentown.org/
Politics substack: https://thearchy.substack.com/
Theology site: https://servantofthesovereign.wordpress.com/
Other books mentioned:
The Road To Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek: https://mises.org/library/book/road-serfdom
The Law by Frederic Bastiat: https://mises.org/library/book/law
Foundations of Economics: A Christian View by Shawn Ritenour: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1556357249/
The Conservative Mind by Russell Kirk: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0895261715/
For A New Liberty by Murray Rothbard: https://mises.org/library/book/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto
Christian Libertarian Review call for papers 2024: https://libertarianchristians.com/2024/02/03/call-for-papers-2024-volume/
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
An introduction to a Reformed view of the Kingdom of God in its 5 elements and its 5 covenantally-administered epochs, culminating in the Kingdom’s definitive consummation in the New Creation. The relation between Christian cultural activity and the Kingdom of God is also clarified.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/016
Main Points of Discussion
00:00 Introduction
00:32 Episode description
01:03 Kingdom of God as the New Creation and central to Bible and all reality
03:25 5 “Royal” Elements
Ruler, Realm, Reign, those Ruled, Regulation by Covenant
05:31 Covenant in Scripture as oath-commitment
Covenants as administering Kingdom of God
07:20 5 Epochs
1. Probation/Proffered
2. Promised
3. Prefigured
4. Present-Inauguration
5. Parousia-Consummation
& See "The Grid": https://upper-register.com/papers/kline_grid.pdf
10:22 Contrary to postmil, premil, and heresy* [see note below] of popular “Evangelical” Dispensationalism
12:15 1st Epoch: Probation – the Covenant of Works
“Eschatology Precedes Soteriology”
17:10 2nd Epoch: Promised – the Protevangelium (Gen. 3.15) and Abrahamic Covenant
The Seed is Christ, the Land is New Creation, the Blessing is Salvation by grace alone, thru faith alone, in Christ alone
19:24 3rd Epoch: Prefigured – the Old Mosaic Covenant
Temporary and typological theocracy
Suspension of normal operations of “common grace”
Non-free market and coercive punishment of non-aggressive immorality
Typological principle of works (covenant blessings & curses)
24:03 4th Epoch: Present-Inauguration – the New Covenant
The gospel, salvation accomplished in history
Crucial distinction between (a) “subjective recognition of Christ’s reign” involving the implications of Christian beliefs for all of life -vs.- (b) “objective realm” of Christ’s Kingdom as the new heavens&earth, presently and uniquely manifest as the institutional church (not as common culture or society)
The gospel, church, and presently-inaugurated Kingdom are NOT “political”
30:23 5th Epoch: Parousia-Consummation – the everlasting, full realization of the New Covenant
Flesh & blood (pre-glorified human nature) cannot inherit the Kingdom, and so requires eschatological transformation, glorified incorruptibility
*Note
Differing forms of Dispensationalism (heretical or not) have been used by some to justify the worst of the United States government’s murderous, warmongering foreign policy. One of Dispensationalism’s erroneous beliefs (in all its forms) is that after the first advent of Christ, God’s promise to give the physical territory of Canaan to the physical descendants of Israel remains in effect.
A doctrinal “heresy” can be understood as a teaching that denies some point of orthodox creedal teaching. The heretical teaching we had in mind (and should have specified) is the belief that prior to Christ’s first advent, or during the era of the Law (or Old Covenant), salvation was not by grace through faith in Christ, the promised Savior. Not all forms of Dispensationalism teach this, however.
For further discussion of Dispensationalism, see this lecture on The New Covenant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynilaJANdoM
Additional Resources:
A reading of Kerry Baldwin’s article on biblical inerrancy, which discusses a blog post by Pete Enns in which he says why he believes the Bible has errors, and no one is obligated to obey Romans 13. Resources for a better (non-biblicist) view of inerrancy and a better view of Romans 13 are recommended. The hosts also give an update about new episodes.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/bonusB
00:00 Start
00:09 Update
00:49 Intro to Kerry's article
01:46 Enns wrong on Romans 13
04:42 Enns confuses biblical inerrancy with biblicism
07:03 A non-biblicist view of inerrancy
08:35 A better view of Romans 13
10:00 Covenantal sensitivity
11:49 Conclusion
Additional Resources:
Does Biblical Inerrancy Threaten Libertarianism? by Kerry Baldwin
https://reformedlibertarians.com/does-biblical-inerrancy-threaten-libertarianism/
Episode 14 of The Reformed Libertarians Podcast, Does Political Representation Make Sense?, with Gerard Casey
https://reformedlibertarians.com/014
Note on the danger of biblicism by Terry Johnson and Shane Lems
https://reformedreader.wordpress.com/2017/06/22/the-danger-of-biblicism/
Different views of biblical inerrancy by Kam Weng Ng
https://krisispraxis.com/archives/2016/06/inerrancy-of-the-bible-defined-and-defended-part-1/
The Framework Interpretation of Creation Days by Lee Irons
https://upper-register.com/papers/framework_interpretation.html
The Truthfulness of Scripture by Michael Horton
https://www.modernreformation.org/resources/articles/the-truthfulness-of-scripture
The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy
https://www.alliancenet.org/international-council-on-biblical-inerrancy
Well-versed Inerrancy by Kevin Vanhoozer
https://henrycenter.tiu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2013April_Vanhoozer-inerrancy.pdf
Video presentation on well-versed inerrancy by Kevin Vanhoozer
https://vimeo.com/79158043
Can The Bible Contain Errors? by Greg Beale
https://faculty.wts.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2011-Spring-Inspired.pdf
Audio presentation on inerrancy by Greg Beale
http://media1.wts.edu/media/audio/gkbeale_lecture_copyright.mp3
Review of Enns' book against inerrancy by Greg Beale
https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/49/49-2/JETS_49-2_287-312_Beale.pdf
The Erosion Of Inerrancy by Greg Beale
https://amazon.com/dp/1433502038
Romans 13: A Reformed View by Gregory Baus
https://libertarianchristians.com/2021/11/24/romans-13-and-stateless-civil-governance-a-reformed-view/
Episode 2 of The Reformed Libertarians Podcast, What Does Romans 13 Say About Civil Government?
https://reformedlibertarians.com/002
Episode 42 of The Biblical Anarchy Podcast, Why Isn't the State Biblically Justified? Resolving Romans 13 Objections, with Gregory Baus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBbFFBwMaLQ
Episode 14 of The Biblical Anarchy Podcast, Does The Conquest of Canaan Conflict with Anarchism? with Gregory Baus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3KFqcQlPuA
Reformed Libertarians Podcast hosts' appearances elsewhere
https://reformedlibertarians.com/appearances/
Also see a highly-relevant article on a pattern of turning ex-vangelical, especially as among women, by Kerry Baldwin
https://mereliberty.com/theology/pattern-of-deconstruction-women/
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network
Audio Production by Podsworth Media.
Summary - Reformed Libertarians Podcast Announcement
We're taking a short break for summer, but listen for some other information and plans for the Reformed Libertarian podcast when we get back.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/bonusA
Additional Resources
https://reformedlibertarians.com/about-our-logo/
https://reformedlibertarians.com/reformed-libertarianism-statement/
https://reformedlibertarians.com/articles/
https://reformedlibertarians.com/resources/
https://reformedlibertarians.com/signup/
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
A discussion of whether a Reformed Christian view of civil governance is compatible with theocracy. We explain how the term "theocratic" has been used, and two key elements of a theocratic view (namely, the monopoly state and civil establishment of religion) that must be rejected in a genuinely Christian view of civil governance. We also touch on how some who support a theocratic view go wrong in their eschatology.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/015/
00:00 Start
00:32 Episode description
01:27 About the history of the term https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/political-science-and-government/political-science-terms-and-concepts/theocracy
02:22 All of life, and so all politics, is ultimately guided by central religious commitments
04:45 The objectionable sense of "theocratic" is not entailed by the universality of central religious commitments and their ultimate guidance of all of life
05:28 Two key elements of theocracy are "a monopoly state" and "civil establishment of religion"; Monopoly explained
07:41 Just and unjust uses of coercion; The obligation of non-aggression; The illegitimacy of all states
12:13 A simple analogy
15:12 Establishmentarianism explained https://reformedlibertarians.com/against-civil-establishment-of-religion/
16:46 The unique, symbolic, and temporary (now obsolete) old Mosaic covenant theocracy involved suspension of the common grace order; It was a temporary symbolic-intrusion of final judgment and the kingdom of God, now inaugurated in the new covenant institutional church, and yet to be consummated in the New Heavens and Earth
19:59 While the old covenant was in effect, it was not a violation of non-aggression https://reformedlibertarians.com/002 ; Now, in the new covenant era, the normal operation of the common grace order has resumed; This entails prohibition of establishmentarianism and monopoly, enacting either is antichrist
22:03 Genuinely limited governance, required by God's ultimate sovereignty, according to a consistent Christian view, entails non-monopoly and non-establishment
24:17 Recap
25:10 The under-realization of inaugurated eschatology in the new covenant by postmillennialism and so-called optimism that often accompanies a theocratic view
Additional Resources
More about the temporary suspension of the normal operation of common grace and the eschatological-intrusion within the old covenant theocracy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3KFqcQlPuA
More about sphere sovereignty : Episode 09 - https://reformedlibertarians.com/009 Episode 12 - https://reformedlibertarians.com/012
More about the underrealization of inaugurated eschatology in the new covenant as held by a postmil view (Gaffin refers to postmil's de-eschatologizing) : https://www.newhopefairfax.org/files/Gaffin%20Theonomy%20and%20Eschatology.pdf
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com/ and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
An interview with Dr. Gerard Casey about his article "The Indefensibility of Political Representation." Dr. Casey introduces himself and recounts how he became a libertarian anarchist. He speaks about the idea of legitimate command and various options proposed to justify the state's supposed authority. He summarizes some of his examination of political representation from his article. He also talks about what real democracy was like, and closes with a reflection on caring for the poor in a free society.
https://reformedlibertarians.com/014/
00:00 Start
00:32 Episode description
Article discussed (25 min read), "The Indefensibility of Political Representation" by Gerard Casey : https://mises.org/library/indefensibility-political-representation
Audio presentation (18 mins) : https://mises.org/library/which-be-master-indefensibility-political-representation
01:51 About Dr. Casey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Casey_(philosopher)
Academia page: https://ucd.academia.edu/GerardNCasey
Interviews by Dr. Casey: https://www.youtube.com/@caseyinconversation6380
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Casey5122dark
05:18 Libertarian conversion
The Theory of Money and Credit by Ludwig von Mises : https://mises.org/library/theory-money-and-credit
10:07 Principles of legitimate command
15:11 Options proposed to justify the state
The main option in the West today is the idea of "representative" democracy which is equated with self-governance
17:54 Hannah Pitkin's analysis and the basic incoherence of political representation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanna_Fenichel_Pitkin
The Concept of Representation by Hanna Pitkin : https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520021568?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
25:44 Inevitable bureaucratic obstacles
BBC2's "Yes Minister" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister
29:46 Actual democracy and sortition
Against Elections by David Van Reybrouck : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1847924220?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
Jury Nullification: https://fija.org
37:24 "Let The Poor Starve?" by Gerard Casey https://reformedlibertarians.com/let-the-poor-starve-gerard-casey/
How Govt "Solved" The Healthcare Crisis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFmmGBQ&list=PLwrDNUO5MDu8WYU5oB7l037lvAEjSoPBr&index=7
Books by Dr. Gerard Casey:
(2012) Libertarian Anarchy : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1441144676?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
(2013) Murray Rothbard : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1441100792?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
(2017) Freedom's Progress? - a history of political thought : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1845409426?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
(2019) ZAP - free speech and tolerance in light of the Zero Aggression Principle : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1788360176?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
(2020) After #MeToo : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1788360273?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
(2021) Hidden Agender : https://www.amazon.com/dp/1788360583?tag=kerrybaldwin-20
"Meddling In Other Men's Affairs: The Case For Anarchy" by Gerard Casey https://reformedlibertarians.com/meddling-in-other-mens-affairs-the-case-for-anarchy-by-gerard-casey/
Also see Episode 7: Can Libertarians Be Conservatives? : https://reformedlibertarians.com/007
The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com/ and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net
Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com
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