The ReMembering and ReEnchanting Podcast

In this episode of the Remembering and Re-enchanting podcast, hostess Sara Jolena Wolcott speaks with John Seed and Niamh Murray about deep ecology, the interconnectedness of all life, and the importance of community and ceremony in fostering ecological identity. They explore personal journeys, mystical moments, the significance of indigenous wisdom, and how deep ecology plays a role in the broader need for a cultural reclamation project to reconnect with nature and with one other. The discussion emphasizes the critical role shifting consciousness to address the ecological crises we face today, highlighting the role of spiritual traditions and collective practices in this transformative process.

Towards the end of the podcast, John Seed leads the listeners in an experiential exercise, and we invite our listeners to engage with it.

01:33 Introduction to Deep Ecology

03:40 John Seed's Journey and Awakening

07:36 The Evolution of Connection to Nature

11:52 Ceremonies and Practices in Deep Ecology

18:29 Cultural Reclamation and Community Practices

26:52 Engaging with Indigenous Wisdom

41:19 The Journey of Seeing Differently

42:43 The Great Unraveling and the Great Turning

48:37 Crisis in Consciousness

54:00 The Power of Community and Connection

59:47 Experiential exercise: Breathing with the Green World

01:04:32 Poetry as a Path to Deep Ecology

01:10:36 Intergenerational Wisdom and Responsibility

01:19:09 Honoring the Web of Teachers

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This episode features a conversation between host Sara Jolena Wolcott and guest Jessica Intermill, a lawyer and land history consultant. Jessica highlights the significance of land history in revealing the complex relationships between Indigenous cultures, settlers, and the land. She also discusses the emotional and practical aspects of land return and repair, stressing the need for respectful use of power and resources to support Indigenous goals. 

01:31 - Introduction to Jessica Intermill
02:49 - What does land history evoke for you?
08:56 to 10:28 - On working with tribal nations
10:29 - Do you think the American Culture is a culture of running or a culture of place?
26:01 - On working with different generations
42:21 - Rugged individuality

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Sara Jolena and Aubrey Chaves discuss the importance of understanding one's family history, faith, and its impact on personal identity. More than most of our episodes, this one resembles the kind of conversations that sometimes arise when Sara Jolena does 1-1 spiritual direction work with people. It is tender and exploratory.  We aren't talking "about" something so much as going "into" it in a very personal way.

The two women explore the intergenerational transmission of trauma and resilience, emphasizing the role of social and cultural contexts. Aubrey reflects on the somatic experience of making decisions and the anxiety sometimes associated with aligning personal desires with societal expectations. They highlight the significance of prayer and community support in navigating these challenges and finding inner peace.

As this is an unusual episode, I want to share more about how it came about: 

Sara Jolena met Aubrey at that podcasting conference they both participated in at BYU in Salt Lake City. Aubrey has her own podcast, Faith Matters, which highlights aspects of the Mormon faith. She is an immensely bright, cheerful, and bubbly person. I had mentioned something about my work with legacies and inheritances in one of the sessions. She came up to me during a break, and started asking me questions about multi-generational emotional patterns. As we started talking, it was a clear that this could be one of those really important conversations for her - a conversation that could make a difference. I asked if she'd be open to recording it. She was ecstatic.

Given how vulnerable the conversation ended up being, I asked her at the end of our recording: are you sure you want this to go out there into the world?

And she said, "Sara Jolena, this is the kind of conversation I've been wanting to listen to for years. I crave being able to listen in to these kinds of conversations. If I had heard this a few years ago, it might have helped me. So I want this out there, because maybe another woman, another person, might find it helpful, too."

Well. I can't say no to that!

It's a conversation about working with intergenerational trauma on the feminine/female line; about her grandmother's letters; about what it means to be a woman of her faith; about embodied yeses and nos, about what it means to grow up and to listen to God and to trust her own inner wisdom. About learning to be ok with who she is, even when that's different. Yes, there's tears. And insight. And a lot of beauty.

I hope you enjoy it! 

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Sara Jolena and Robert Monson discuss their shared experiences with disability, the importance of communal care and mutual support, and the need to imagine a new world beyond the constraints of capitalism and able-bodied norms. They explore the intersectionality of race, class, and disability, as well as the challenges and resilience faced when claiming disability identities. Throughout the conversation, they emphasize the power of spiritual listening, rest, and remembering.

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In this episode of The Remembering and Re Enchanting podcast, host Sara Jolena Wolcott and guest Lisa DeLay reflect on their experiences at BYU's Elevate: A Faith and Spirituality Podcasters Summit in Provo, Utah, where they engaged with a small group of podcasters dedicated to exploring spiritual themes. They have also highlighted key insights from Krista Tippett's keynote conversation, emphasizing the importance of fostering genuine dialogue over traditional interview formats to explore deeper human experiences and spirituality. They also touch on the challenges faced by podcasters from marginalized communities, advocating for truth-telling and justice within their work. 

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In this episode, Sara Jolena Wolcott and Lisa Colón DeLay have an engaging discussion about the inner landscape, drawing on wisdom from the Desert Fathers and Mothers of early Christianity. They explore how our internal worlds are deeply shaped by cultural influences, trauma, and the dynamics of community.
 
Lisa shares insights from her book "The Wild Land Within," describing the "eight afflicting thoughts" identified by the Desert Father Evagrius as common challenges on the spiritual journey. The conversation also delves into the rich but often overlooked Coptic Orthodox Christian tradition and the importance of developing personal "rules of life" with spiritual practices.

Throughout, Sara and Lisa emphasize the need to balance an awareness of our wounds and struggles with a remembrance of the blessings, beauty, and sources of safety within our inner landscapes. Their dialogue offers listeners a thoughtful, holistic perspective on navigating the complexities of the soul.

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This episode features a conversation with Sara Jolena Wolcott, Josh Schrei, and Andrew Dunn about history and technology. It was originally part of the Embodied Ethics in The Age of A.I. course offered by the School of Wise Innovation.

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Scottish writer, Academic, and Spiritual Activist Alastair McIntosh sits down with Sara Jolena Wolcott to talk about his work on land reform, waterways and housing; the importance of Community Gardens, and the current state of America amidst the coming US election. This includes reflections from the island from which Donald Trump's maternal family comes. 

1:33 - Introduction to Alastair Macintosh
5:38 - About Dark Mountain
12:00 - Land of trust and land ownership
20:40 - History
24:20 - On Trump and the American definition of "success"
33:00 - On Community Gardens
36:40 - Archetypes -  Trump
41:20 - Divisions in America
48:00 - Paying attention to waters: Rivers and Oceans
58:00 - Possible American Futures

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Other Books mentioned in the episode:

• Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man by Mary L. Trump
• Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis

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Riders on the Storm: the Climate Crisis and the Survival of Being
Poacher's Pilgrimage: an Island Journey
Spiritual Activism: Leadership as Service
Parables of Northern Seed: Anthology from BBC's Thought for the Day
Island Spirituality: Spiritual Values of Lewis and Harris

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Author, social entrepreneur and the co-founder of a School Called HOME and The Dark Mountain Project - and a long time friend - Dougald Hine sits down with Sara Jolena Wolcott to talk about (adult) education, which leads to so many other things, because education is connected to so many things.

1:27 - Introduction to Dougald Hine
5:04 -  When you know society has run to the end of its own story.... A question from a friend and student
16:19 - On education and carrying a message
21:38 - Education, Religion, and learning from what comes before us
42:17 - Learning and unlearning as adults
58:53 - Ethical Dilemmas in running our own schools
1:14:00 - Divestment and disinvestment in culture and place
1:21:51 - “Our world has not always been made for us and yet we do / we are actively part of creating what's arising”

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Peacemaker, business consultant, and advisor Maija West joins us to talk about her former work as co-founding the Healing and Reconciliation Institute and her journey in honoring the land. 

1:34 - Introduction to Maija West and her work at Healing and Reconciliation Institute
23:58 - Tools that help Majia in her work as a facilitator and peacemaker.
27: 58 - Bringing the land in to engage in peacemaking
31:58 - What does it mean to honor sacred land? Sacred Land, Retreat Centers, and indigenous homelands
55:8 - How do you support listening between groups who are not seeing each other?
1:17:14 - What are you remembering?


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Clarification from Maija: At around 43 minutes- I say “at best” is a comanagement agreement, but of course, full land return is a goal for many Nations. What I was meaning, but didn’t say, is that this option can be “best,” if the title to land will not transfer (land return) to a Tribe/Nation, then a co-management agreement can be a strong tool. Especially in California, because some Nations we work with have shared that they would prefer sharing the responsibility with a trusted third-party partner, like a land trust, as long as the written agreement is culturally appropriate and has a strong set of protocols for addressing issues or challenges through peacemaking.

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