Is the government already in a debt trap, where the economy can’t grow fast enough to cover its rising interest bill? Can the government spur economic growth enough to rescue the UK from relentless tax rises and spending squeezes? How should the machinery of government be reformed to turn a growth mission into a practical reality?

Robert and Steph look at the warning from the respected NIESR that a debt trap may be an imminent danger.

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How much harm to the collective solidarity of nations has been done by America’s resurgent nationalism? Can the global economy absorb the costs of Trump’s tariffs without a slump? Is there any case for Trump’s new 50% tariffs on India?

Robert speaks with Philip Coggan, former Economist columnist about his new book The Economic Consequences of Mr Trump.

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What are the repercussions of global trade deals being put together with little to no detail in the actual agreements? How has the US President convinced the European Commission to agree to purchase $600bn worth of US energy products when it doesn’t have the mechanism to do so? Did Trump end up winning his game of "4D chess" with the global markets?

Steph speaks to The Economist’s Wall Street Editor, Mike Bird.

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Why is the fastest growing demographic of shoppers not being properly catered for? What can retailers do to change that and make more money? And why is this important for the whole economy, not just the 15 million people in the UK directly affected by it?

Steph speaks to Heather Jackson CEO of GenM about the economics of the menopause.

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Should Starmer and Reeves worry less about breaching the manifesto to restore growth? How could they have negotiated a better trade deal with the EU to avoid the black hole in the public finances and avoid tax rises? How and why have small businesses been dodging billions of pounds in taxes?

Robert and Steph discuss.

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Why is Hewlett Packard still going after Mike Lynch’s money? Trump wants the US central bank boss out, but will it give him more control over interest rates? And how much are the trade tariffs hurting the US economy?

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Is the British Business Bank taking enough risk to close the funding gap that holds back UK enterprises? How do we stop the unicorns relocating to the US? Do we need a new name for and whole new approach to pension savings?

Steph and Robert talk to the government-owned bank’s chair Stephen Welton about what he’ll do with all the extra billions Rachel Reeves has allocated him to support small businesses.

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Will ads promoting investing make more people take the risk? Is removing the ring fencing of retail and investment banking a good thing? How did the credit crunch affect our animal spirits?

Following the chancellor’s Mansion House speech to the City, Robert and Steph discuss the pros and cons.

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Why is the UK lagging behind other countries when it comes to our debt and budget deficit? Did austerity help or hurt — and was there a better way? And with major events like Brexit and Covid, was our economic slump unavoidable?

Steph and Robert chat with the outgoing boss of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, Paul Johnson, for a deep dive into the UK’s public finances. And to find out what he thinks a fair and effective tax system looks like.

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Why is the OBR warning that the UK is heading towards fiscal catastrophe? Will Rachel Reeves put up all the wrong taxes in the autumn budget? Are the fiscal rules compatible with growing the economy?

Steph and Robert drill into the UK’s public finances crisis with Paul Johnson, who this week is standing down as the head of the Institute for Fiscal Studies and has been judge and jury of the nation’s Chancellors since 2011.

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