George has spent most of this podcast's run as the AI doomsayer — bug-out bag ready, be-nice-to-the-machines, waiting for the moment the robots throw the three laws out the window. So when he and Paul finally decided to bring an AI expert onto the show, they both landed on the same name without discussing it: Mike Filsaime.
Mike is one of the true OGs of online marketing — a top-five name whenever people talk about the originals — and over the last couple of years he's reinvented himself yet again, coding and launching AI apps at a pace that leaves George floored every time he sees it. He's also the guy who, in a mastermind over a year ago, looked George's doom-and-gloom in the eye and calmly said: every problem we create, we solve. Industries recover. New ones get born that nobody could have predicted.
This episode is that argument, fully unpacked.
Mike walks through the history of technological panic — the futurist in 1899 who declared everything worth inventing had been invented, the Bernie-Sanders-style outrage that the automobile would put the horse-shoers and street-cleaners out of work. Except the car didn't just kill jobs. It created tire companies, leather manufacturers, headlamp makers, the interstate system, Route 66, roadside America, and the Michelin star (invented by a tire company to get people driving to restaurants). His point: humans don't get flattened by the wave, they learn to surf it. AI won't be different.
But he doesn't stay comfortable. The sharpest stretch of the conversation is about the danger nobody can regulate — China open-sourcing frontier-quality models and handing out the weights under an MIT license, which Mike frames as giving away the nuclear material to anyone who can afford a $15,000 server. He gets into why that could be a deliberate play to make energy and intelligence free and detonate the trillion-dollar AI economy from the outside, and why the guardrails the West keeps adding just widen the opening.
Then it goes properly big-picture. Mike lays out the difference between AGI, superintelligence, and the singularity — the moment all knowledge converges and we solve math, biology, and aging at once. Which leads to the question that gives this episode its strangest edge: what happens to a civilization when nobody dies? When reverse-aging arrives and everyone's walking around in a 28-year-old body? Do we ration the right to have children? It's the kind of thing that sounds like science fiction until Mike reminds you it's coming whether it's in 50 years or 200.
The back half turns human. Both Paul and George are watching the pendulum swing hard against AI clones in their own audiences — people who stop buying from a creator the instant they spot a fake avatar on video. Mike gets candid about what phones and social media are doing to kids: the disappearance of the "third place," the girl who learns her worth from what a lowered neckline does to her view count, the two kids on the same couch giggling because someone texted the group chat. There's a genuinely useful exchange on homeschooling, AI-tailored curriculums, and why the machine that finally personalizes education might help every kid find their superpower years faster than the old system ever did.
Paul brings it home from an unexpected place — a week that included speaking at the United Nations, where he watched roomful after roomful of well-meaning people agree, feel good about themselves, leave, and change nothing. His takeaway: no one is coming to manage this for you. It comes down to self-reliance, staying on top of what's actually happening, and deciding how you engage with it.
Optimism and unease, sitting in the same room for an hour and a half. Exactly the conversation this moment calls for.
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