Hello and welcome to episode seven of the Project. Edward 2023 Podcast with me, James Luckhurst. The title of the podcast season is My Role in the Safe System. And this week we're in the esteemed company of two leaders from the world of law enforcement. Joy Allen, Police and Crime Commissioner for Durham and the National Deputy Lead for Roads Policing and Jo Shiner, Chief Constable of Sussex and the National Police Chiefs Council lead for roads policing.