Grief is not the neat stages we were taught to expect. It's waves, surprises, moments you think you're okay and then suddenly you're not. In this deeply personal episode, Perry shares her family's recent loss and decades of experience working with grief. She explores what grief actually feels like, why it doesn't move in straight lines, and how we learn to live with it without rushing ourselves out of it. If you've ever felt confused by your grief or wondered why it doesn't follow a predictable path, this conversation is for you.