In this episode of Mostly Growth, the number one podcast in product monetization, CJ Gustafson and Kyle Poyar break down why “SaaS” may have become a dirty word, HubSpot’s shaky AEO launch, Legora’s big Jude Law swing, Elena Verna’s point that users now teach themselves software, and whether Allbirds is headed for the bleakest AI pivot in tech.

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LINKS: 

Mostly Metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

CJ on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/

Growth Unhinged: https://www.growthunhinged.com/

Kyle on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-poyar/

Slacker Stuff: https://www.slackerstuff.com/

Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slackerstuff/

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 SaaStock rebrands at its own funeral

4:17 Show intro

4:41 Are SaaS conferences dead?

8:16 HubSpot's AEO tool and Jason Lemkin's takedown

9:40 Sponsors — Lightfield | beehiiv | Tabs

12:40 Launching AI products: you have to come correct

14:58 AEO tools landscape

16:06 Incumbents vs. AI natives on price

19:42 Celebrity endorsements in tech: Lagora and Jude Law

23:05 The trend: Ramp, Salesforce, celebrity branding

23:27 Elena Verna: users discovering AI use cases themselves

25:53 Claude Cowork as a personal AI

27:45 The IKEA effect in AI

29:11 Allbirds pivots to AI: meme stock or real?

31:27 Credits

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