Is defensiveness stalling your org—and costing you money? In this episode of The Science of Engagement, Dr. Brian Peters and David Snyder show how to replace ego with curiosity and connect engagement to KPIs, profit, and cost reduction (no fluff). You’ll learn why the best leaders are insatiably curious, the exact question that raises the bar—“How do you know that?”—and two practical rituals that make healthy debate normal, safe, and productive.
Why curiosity is the #1 leadership competency (and how it spreads across teams)
How to introduce “How do you know that?” without triggering defensiveness
The Top-10 Ideas weekly ritual to surface improvements fast
The Devil’s-Advocate role to normalize dissent and better decisions
Tying engagement to KPIs/ROI instead of posters and perks
00:00 Intro: engagement without the fluff
02:06 “Welcome to Crazy Town” — defensive cultures in the wild
06:00 Leaders who can’t describe their teams’ work
13:28 Curiosity as the mother competency
24:56 The Top-10 Ideas weekly ritual
28:58 Assigning a devil’s advocate (safe dissent)
31:40 Normalizing “How do you know that?”
32:50 What’s next: The Path to Improvement
Curiosity → clarity → accountability → ROI
Make questioning a role and a ritual, not a personality clash
Start with shared improvement ideas, then layer in constructive challenge
employee engagement, leadership behaviors, organizational psychology, KPIs, ROI, psychological safety, people ops, culture change, cross-functional collaboration