Summary

• Introduction and Background of Complex

◦ Mattsuuii introduces the episode and guest, Complex, a hip hop artist from Long Beach now residing in the Inland Empire, California.

◦ Complex introduces himself, mentioning his nomadic upbringing, moving between Long Beach, Texas, and the Inland Empire.

◦ Complex discusses his upbringing, mentioning his parents' influence and his juvenile record, which is sealed due to minor offenses.

◦ Suuii shares his own experiences with the law, including a wrongful conviction for manslaughter and multiple shootings and stabbings.

• Early Influences and Writing Skills

◦ Complex talks about his early interest in writing, starting with poetry in seventh grade, and his natural talent for reading and wordplay.

◦ Matt shares his background, mentioning his father's influence as a songwriter and his own early interest in music, inspired by the rock band Rush.

◦ Both discuss their extensive knowledge of literary devices and their dedication to mastering wordplay and lyricism.

◦ Complex mentions his late start in releasing music and his preference for organic promotion over viral fame.

• First Projects and Collaborations

◦ Complex discusses his first project, "Insane Clinical," released about 12 years ago with a group called Altered Minds.

◦ Suuii shares his experience starting his own record label, Way 2 Guud Entertainment, and his collaborations with artists from various countries.

◦ Complex talks about his collaborations with local and international artists, including a song with Krizz Kaliko and various other collaborations.

◦ Both discuss their experiences with engineering and production, with Mattsuuii offering his expertise in sound engineering.

• Views on Rap vs. Hip Hop

◦ Suuii asks Complex about his views on the difference between rap and hip hop.

◦ Complex describes rap as a secondary art form, often driven by commercial success, while hip hop is the original culture, encompassing dance, beatboxing, and more.

◦ Both agree that true hip hop evokes emotions and tells stories, while rap is often more about making money.

◦ Complex mentions his upcoming project, "Members Only," aimed at true hip hop fans who appreciate the art form.

• Defining True Artistry

◦ Mattsuuii asks Complex about his definition of true artistry.

◦ Complex emphasizes the sacrifice and dedication to the craft, mentioning artists like Nas, Big Daddy Kane, and Tupac as examples of true artistry.

◦ Both discuss the importance of authenticity and emotional connection in true artistry, whether in music or other forms of art.

◦ Complex mentions his upcoming project, "Members Only," as an example of his commitment to true hip hop.

• Collaboration and Future Plans

◦ Suuii and Complex discuss potential collaborations, with Matt offering to write and produce tracks for Complex.

◦ Complex mentions his busy schedule as a full-time father, husband, and entrepreneur, but expresses interest in future collaborations.

◦ Both discuss their shared love for custom jerseys.

◦ Complex shares his social handles and email for future collaboration and mentions his upcoming projects and collaborations.