In today's episode, host Joe Colantonio is joined by renowned software testing expert Michael Bolton, who returns to the show after an eight-year hiatus.

Join Michael and me at Breakpoint online event: https://testguild.me/breakpoint

In part 1 of a two-part series, Michael dives deep into software testing, reflecting on what's changed (and what hasn't!) since their last chat, the impact of emerging technologies like machine learning and AI, and what it really means to "do" software testing in 2025.

Michael explores the true essence of testing beyond the buzzwords, challenging the industry's love affair with automation and redefining its role as a tool to augment, rather than replace, human insight. Michael shares insights from his latest travels, collaborative projects, and the exciting new class he's co-developed with James Bach, focusing on smarter, tool-empowered testing practices.

Prepare for a candid, thoughtful discussion full of practical advice, personal anecdotes, and a few laughs along the way. This will include live demos, tool recommendations, and real-life stories highlighting the "secret life" of automation many teams overlook.

Also, make sure not to miss our next episode next week, in which Michael takes a deeper dive into AI's role in testing.

You don't want to miss it - listen up.