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In this deeply moving episode of All Things Conflict - Justice Redesigned, Maria Arpa sits down with Andrew Morris, an advocate and survivor of the Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPP) sentence. Described as one of the most significant human rights stains on the UK justice system, the IPP sentence has left thousands of individuals in a state of "legal limbo" trapped in prison indefinitely with no set release date.

Andrew shares his firsthand account of the psychological "torture" inherent in indeterminate sentencing, where hope is systematically stripped away and replaced by a cycle of despair and high-stakes recall. We explore the staggering statistics of the 2,700+ people still caught in this system, the tragic rates of self-harm and suicide, and the systemic failure of "abolition without retrospection." This is a conversation about the desperate need for Healing Justice and the human faces behind the forgotten statistics.

Key Takeaways

The Definition of "Indeterminate": Unlike standard sentences, an IPP sentence has a minimum "tariff" but no maximum end date. Once the tariff expires, the prisoner is not released until they can prove to a Parole Board they are no longer a risk - a test that is notoriously difficult to pass.

The Psychological "Torture": Andrew describes the mental health impact of not having a release date. Without a "finish line," the brain enters a constant state of fight-or-flight, leading to catastrophic levels of self-harm and hopelessness within the IPP population.

Abolition Without Retrospection: While the IPP sentence was abolished in 2012 because it was deemed unjust, the law was not made retrospective. This left thousands of people serving a sentence that the government admitted should never have existed.

The "Recall" Trap: Even after release, IPP prisoners are on license for at least 10 years (previously for life). A minor technicality or a single mistake can lead to an immediate return to prison with no clear path back out.

The Suicide Crisis: The episode highlights the harrowing reality that the IPP population has some of the highest rates of suicide and self-harm in the entire prison estate, driven by the lack of a "light at the end of the tunnel."

Healing Justice vs. Punitive Justice: Andrew argues for a shift toward "Healing Justice"—a system that prioritises rehabilitation, emotional intelligence, and empathy over bureaucratic box-ticking and endless punishment.

The Role of Lived Experience: Why it is essential for survivors like Andrew to lead the conversation on reform, as they understand the visceral reality of the system in a way policymakers cannot.