We come by perfectionism honestly - and generationally - so this shitty first draft is no small feat for us. Listen as we figure out how to start and stop a podcast, introduce our professional backgrounds, wrestle with career transitions and chat about what inspires us to keep going. (Hint: It’s not passion.)

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