In this episode, Ben and Jamal unpack how the modern education system was engineered — from its Prussian roots to its current form — to produce compliance, weaken masculine instinct, and suppress real autonomy. They break down how the system replaces fathers, punishes warrior energy, kills play, and standardizes thinking through testing instead of wisdom. They bring in Thomas Sowell, Steiner, Waldorf schooling, John Taylor Gatto, and Peterson’s “play vs tyranny” idea to contrast natural human learning with institutional conditioning. The conversation then shifts into the rise of self-education, the psychological cost of indoctrination, and a personal awakening moment about realizing you can learn anything on your own. It’s a deep dive into how we were shaped, how to deprogram, and what a future beyond the Prussian model looks like.

In this episode, Ben and Jamal break down what “red pill” really means — not the dating-sphere version, but the original idea of awakening from ignorance into truth. They unpack how the term evolved, the difference between red pill, black pill, and white pill, and the emotional phases people go through when they first start seeing how the world really works. The conversation moves through the shock stage, the apathetic/dark phase, the rebellion/escape phase, the acceptance phase, and finally the stage of wanting to contribute something meaningful to the world. They also get into how to stay grounded, how to work with the “matrix” without losing yourself, how to build value, and why community and dharmic purpose matter for people who’ve gone through this awakening.

Ben and Jamal dive into one of the most taboo phrases in modern culture: transactional relationships. They unpack why “transactional” has become a dirty word, reframing it through the lens of fairness, reciprocity, and energetic exchange. From “human being vs. human doing” to Jung’s anima/animus dynamics, they explore how love, projection, and self-knowledge create either symbiosis or imbalance. This episode bridges business logic and spiritual insight, arguing that the healthiest relationships are conscious, reciprocal partnerships—where love is governed by wisdom, and both people bring value that multiplies life force rather than drains it

In this episode, Ben and Jamal explore the tension between simping and stoicism—two modern archetypes that reflect how men relate to desire, emotion, and self-mastery. They unpack what it means to crave feminine validation, how to cultivate inner wholeness without repression, and where spirituality fits into masculine development. Through discussions of Jung’s anima, pseudo-stoicism, and emotional regulation, they trace a path from neediness to noble composure—where love becomes fuel for purpose rather than a substitute for it.

Episode Description: In this episode, Ben and Jamal explore psychic self-defense—how to protect your mind, emotions, and energy in an age of unseen influences. They discuss the aura as the body’s “second skin,” the difference between real and pseudo-healing, and why cultivating virtue is the ultimate shield. From Dion Fortune’s classic framework to Omraam Aïvanhov’s teachings on light, they break down environmental, interpersonal, and subconscious forms of psychic pollution, energy vampirism, and emotional possession. The conversation closes with practical methods for purification, grounding, and invoking the Christ principle to radiate clarity in a chaotic world.

Ben Goldsun & Jamal Maroon discuss healthy character development, understanding the psyche and persona, and how to level up in Life with balanced relational feedback versus a social shortsightedness.

Episode Description: Ben and Jamal dive into one of the century’s biggest questions—can AI help or hinder human evolution? They unpack how artificial intelligence mirrors both our intellect and our spiritual blind spots, exploring its potential to free us from labor while risking psychic atrophy and loss of intuition. From Omraam Mikhael Aïvanhov’s warnings about technology serving lower desires, to Rudolf Steiners Arhimanic commentary on technology worship and hyper materialism, to Jung’s insights on meaning and the soul, they examine how AI could trigger a global identity crisis—and why that discomfort might be the very pressure that pushes humanity toward higher consciousness, creativity, and genuine self-mastery.

On the introductory episode of Relative Points, Jamal Maroon and Ben Goldsun discuss the importance of staying realistic and pragmatic in the pursuit of esoteric knowledge and discovery.

Welcome to the Relative Points Podcast!

In this introductory episode, we lay down our intents for the project, how we met one another, and we thank you all for the love & support in advance,

Enjoy the ride!