The Space Between

The Space Between

By William GibsonReligion & Spirituality
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The Space Between episodes

  • 18 - What is Deconstruction? with Phil Drysdale
    In this episode William speaks with Phil Drysdale.  Phil researches the deconstruction movement and helps those who are experiencing significant changes of their core values and religious beliefs.  We discussed what deconstruction is, who is most likely to deconstruct, the current data surrounding deconstruction and whether reconstruction is a separate phenomena from deconstruction.
    You can connect with Phil and his work here: 
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/phildrysdale/
    Website: https://www.phildrysdale.com
    The Deconstruction Network: https://thedeconstructionnetwork.com
    59 min
  • 17 - Laughing Our Way to a Better Faith with Kristina Harutoonian (The DTR Blog)
    In this episode William talks with Kristina of the DTR Blog about the role that comedy and humour has in faith change, how comedy can help speak difficult truths in a way that leads to reconciliation and a whole load of other rabbit trail discussions on everything from Bethel Church to faith preachers pushing people over while praying for them.  
    You can connect with Kristina here:
    Website: https://www.thedtrblog.com
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedtrblog/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/thedtrblog
    46 min
  • 16 - A Changing Church with Kurtis Vanderpool

    In this episode William speaks with Kurtis about how the Church in America and globally is changing, how the deconstruction movement is a good thing for the Church, Kurtis's recent article published by Relevant Magazine and a relationship centric rather than belief centric Christianity both with others and with God.  

    Instagram: @kurtisvanderpool

    Website: kurtisvanderpool.com

    The Age of Deconstruction and the Future of the Church by Kurtis Vanderpool in Relevant Magazine


    45 min
  • BONUS: I Just Want Real Friends (Podcast Roundtable)

    In this episode we have a round table (zoom) discussion about community during and after deconstruction or a significant faith change.  

    Featured in this episode is:

    - Joey from Dismantle Pod

    - Emily from The Post Modern Fish

    - Katherine from Uncertain Podcast

    - Tim from The New Evangelicals

    - Melanie and Gary from The Holy Heretics Podcast

    44 min
  • 15 - Decolonising Theology with Jo Luehmann
    In this episode William speaks with Jo Luehmann.  Jo shares about what toxic and colonising theology looks like and how we tackle it, the importance of listening to those who are most marginalised, what healthy and decolonised theology is and then Jo practically applies these topics by talking briefly about critical race theory.  
    You can connect with Jo and her content by following the links below:
    Instagram: @joluehmann
    Twitter: @joluehmann
    54 min
  • 14 - Unity in Diversity and Disagreement with Joey Monteleone

    In this episode William speaks with Joey the host of Dismantle Podcast.  They talk about the complexities, challenges and benefits of remaining part of a Church or religious community even when your beliefs are changing; when to leave harmful Churches and communities; creating good conversations and fostering healthy dialogue with those with whom we disagree; dealing with emotional and spiritual fatigue when going through deconstruction or doubt; and setting boundaries for when you don't have the energy to have those healthy and necessary conversations.  

    Episode Links:

    • Dismantle Podcast ( Apple Podcast / Spotify )
    • Dismantle Podcast Instagram 


      • 39 min
    • 13 - Women Rising (Faith & Feminism) with Meghan Tschanz

      TRIGGER WARNING: This Podcast contains discussion of sexual assault, rape, FGM, human trafficking and violence against women.  

      In this episode William talks with Meghan Tshanz about her upcoming book 'Women Rising'.  Meghan is also the host of the 'Faith and Feminism Podcast'.  Meghan shares her experience as a missionary and how this experience revealed to her the ways in which the patriarchy, violence against women and the Church can be found to link together.  She shares how the church's teaching on gender roles and women are part of the problem and that they contribute to things such as rape culture, trafficking and FGM.  Meghan also shares a blueprint of what it means to fight injustice against women and what it means to uphold a biblical standard of equality.   

      Links: 

      • Meghan's Instagram 
      • Faith and Feminism Podcast 
      • Women Rising Book Preorder (Amazon / IVP Press)  
      • Meghan's Website
        • 1 hr 12 min
      • 12 - Money and Church

        In this episode Katy and William share some of their thoughts and experiences of money and the Church.  This episode covers what tithing is and the history of the concept, different political and economic structures and how those are relevant to faith and the Church, the prosperity gospel and more.  Also at the end of the episode there are some short clips where some friends of the podcast share their thoughts on the Church and money.  

        Contributors to this episode: 

        Tim Whitaker ( @thenewevangelicals ) 

        Jessie  ( @exvangelicallessons )

        Elvis Nonso

        Aidan Branch

        1 hr 8 min
      • 11 - Atheism an Honest Conversation with Will Thorpe
        This week William speaks with Will Thorpe of @heretical_theology about atheism and secular humanism.  In this episode William and Will discuss common misconceptions that Christians often have of atheism and secular humanism, Will's view on morality, meaning, critical thinking and how religious people and atheists can better work together for the betterment of humanity. 
        You can find the link to Will's instagram below: 
        @heretical_theology
        50 min
      • 10 - A Queer Search for Faith with Lucy Davies

        This week William speaks to Lucy Davies from @aqueersearchforfaith about her experience being raised catholic and coming out as lesbian.  We discussed pope Francis recent statements about the LGBTQ+ community, the complexities of existing as a Christian in the LGBTQ+ community and as a queer person in the Church.  We also talk about how coming out has affected Lucy's relationship with God, devotional life and spiritual practices. 

        Find a link to Lucy's instagram and the resources mentioned in the podcast below: 

        @aqueersearchforfaith (Instagram)

        Queer Theology Podcast

        Vicky Beeching Undivided

        Queer Theology Reading List

        29 min

      About The Space Between

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      A podcast exploring the space between faith and doubt, joy and pain, certainty and questioning.