Jon and Jay analyse the findings of Puppet’s recent report on the state of DevOps and platform engineering. The pair discuss what they thought was lacking from the report, the difference between platform teams and platform engineering teams, and Jon finds an excuse to have a rant about the term 'cognitive load'.

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