Paul Vanderklay and Bethel McGrew join me to discuss my three worlds of evangelicalism framework and their perspectives on the current state of the evangelical church in the US. This interview will be streamed live in front of an audience at an event in Wheaton, Illinois.

Paul Vanderklay's Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGsD...

Bethel McGrew's Substack: https://bethelmcgrew.substack.com/

Note: This episode may have audio problems in some spots.