In this special crossover, Celisia joins Andrea Dunlop — host of Nobody Should Believe Me — for a Casefiles conversation on the Susan Smith case. In 1994, Smith falsely claimed a Black man had kidnapped her two sons. The truth was far more chilling — and her lie launched a national manhunt.

Together, Celisia and Andrea unpack the media frenzy, the racial panic Smith weaponized, and what this case reveals about bias, mental health, and motherhood.

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