We are joined by Lan Nguyen and Jennifer Vermillion, two restorative justice leaders who take us beyond surface-level change to discover what it truly takes to sustain restorative practices in schools and communities across complex educational systems.

Together, they unpack a critical tension facing educators and administrators today: why restorative practices are widely embraced, yet so difficult to sustain. Lan challenges the urgency-driven culture that dominates schools, calling for a strategic shift that asks school leadership to do less, go deeper, and prioritize meaningful transformation over constant initiative overload.

Jennifer builds on this foundation, emphasizing embodiment over checkbox implementation. She highlights that educators are often expected to practice restoration without ever experiencing it. The result? Burnout, skepticism, and initiatives that fade fast. She argues that real change begins when individuals and systems align and when restorative practices are lived, not just learned.

Jennifer is a project specialist with the San Diego County Office of Education, providing professional learning and coaching on restorative practices and implementation. Before working with the County Office, Jennifer spent 5 years with a non-profit, supporting schools in San Diego with their restorative practices implementation, training, and student leadership initiatives. She provided direct services in addressing conflict issues between students, families, and school staff through a restorative justice model that kept youth out of the justice system. She received her bachelor's degree in psychology and her master's degree in peace and justice studies.

Lan is a futurist, educator, and leader who is passionate about designing and implementing more liberatory ways of engaging, teaching, and leading in schools. In her work, she critiques and examines systems of power, applies participatory and humanizing approaches to systems change, and uses a decolonial lens to understand issues of educational and social inequity. Lan has held diverse roles in K-12 education, supporting local, statewide, and national projects on community engagement and school climate. She currently supports restorative justice practice implementation across San Diego County at the San Diego County Office of Education.

Tune in to walk away with actionable insights on implementing restorative justice with fidelity, building educator buy-in, and creating conditions for sustainable change.