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  • Episode 44: 21 Years in Health & Fitness Taught Me THIS (Not What You Think)

    You've tried eating better. Exercising more. Being consistent. Following the advice of people who seem to have all the answers.

    And yet, something still isn't working.

    Maybe the things that worked five years ago aren't working anymore. Maybe you're overwhelmed by conflicting health advice. Or maybe you're doing everything you're supposed to do but still don't feel like yourself.

    After 21 years in the health and fitness industry, Janell Yule has learned something important:

    The people who make lasting changes aren't necessarily the ones doing the most.

    They're the ones who learn what actually matters for their bodies, their circumstances, and the season of life they're in.

    October 31 marks 21 years since Janell began working in health and fitness. Over those years, she's worked with thousands of people, watched countless trends come and go, and learned lessons that no certification or textbook could have taught her.

    In this episode of The Transformation Show, she's sharing some of the biggest lessons she's learned about what actually works when it comes to supporting your health.

    In this conversation, you'll discover:

    • Why your health and fitness needs change throughout different seasons of life
    • How to recognize when to stay consistent and when to change direction
    • Why meaningful progress takes time, even when you're doing the right things
    • The foundational habits that still matter after decades of changing health trends
    • Why hormones matter at every age but don't explain every symptom
    • Why nutrition is important but can't carry the weight of your entire health
    • How more health information can sometimes leave you feeling less clear
    • Why the missing piece may be support rather than more discipline or willpower

    One of Janell's biggest lessons is that consistency doesn't always mean doing the same thing.

    Sometimes it means continuing to support yourself while allowing what that support looks like to change.

    And sometimes the most helpful thing you can do isn't add another supplement, workout, or health strategy.

    It's recognize what's already working, question what you're doing simply because you think you should, and identify the one thing that deserves your attention right now.

    You don't have to do everything to take good care of yourself.

    This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation celebrating Janell's 21 years in health and fitness.

    In Part 2, she'll explore the deeper lessons she's learned about body image, motivation, happiness, the mind-body connection, and our relationship with ourselves.

    🌿 Tired of Trying to Figure Out Your Health on Your Own?

    If you're doing all the things but still don't feel like yourself, you may not need another protocol.

    You may need someone to help you understand the bigger picture and identify what makes sense for your body and your life.

    Through the RESTORE Method™, Janell helps women explore the connections between their symptoms, health history, hormones, gut health, nutrition, and nervous system.

    Explore RESTORE and book a free Health Clarity Call:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/restore

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    📱 Connect with Janell

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    Website:
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    42 min
  • Episode 43: Why I Don't Call It Cold & Flu Season (And What I Do Instead)

    Every fall, we hear the same conversations about cold and flu season.

    Avoid germs. Boost your immune system. Stock up on supplements.

    But what if there's more to the conversation?

    Our days are getting shorter. We're spending more time indoors. Holiday stress is increasing. Our eating habits and routines are changing. And sometimes, we're sleeping less and giving ourselves fewer opportunities to recover.

    That's why Janell doesn't simply think of this time of year as cold and flu season.

    She calls it sugar season. Less natural light season. More stress season.

    Not because sugar automatically makes you sick or because viruses don't matter.

    But because immune health isn't just about what you're exposed to. It's also about how you're supporting the body being exposed.

    In this episode of The Transformation Show, Janell shares how her approach to immune health has evolved, what she prioritizes during the colder months, and why immune resilience is something she supports all year long.

    She also shares her health journey, including pneumonia, antibiotic use, significant emotional stress, and the gut and immune challenges that changed how she approached her health.

    In this conversation, you'll hear about:

    • Why immune health involves more than supplements and avoiding germs
    • How gut health and the microbiome connect to immune function
    • Why everyday eating patterns matter more than an occasional holiday dessert
    • How natural light, darkness, and circadian rhythms influence immune health
    • How seasonal foods, protein, fiber, and hydration support the body
    • Why oral health deserves a place in the immune health conversation
    • How movement, stress, sleep, and recovery fit into her routine
    • What to consider if you're frequently sick or struggling to recover

    Janell also explains why getting sick isn't evidence that you've failed or done something wrong.

    Sometimes the most supportive thing you can do is stop pushing through, listen to your body, and give yourself permission to rest.

    The goal isn't to create a body that never gets sick.

    It's to create a body that's well-resourced and supported through the season you're living in.

    And you don't need another overwhelming protocol to begin.

    Maybe it's getting outside for a few minutes tomorrow morning. Dimming the lights earlier tonight. Preparing a nourishing meal. Or protecting your sleep.

    Start with one thing you can do consistently.

    Because immune resilience isn't built through perfection. It's supported by how you care for yourself over time.

    🌿 Frequently Getting Sick or Feeling Run Down?

    If you're experiencing recurring illnesses, lingering symptoms, digestive concerns, or difficulty recovering, there may be more worth exploring.

    Through the RESTORE Method™, Janell helps women look at the bigger picture, including gut health, nutrition, hormones, and stress.

    Book a free Health Clarity Call to explore your next step:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/restore

    🌿 Explore The Transformation Life

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    📱 Connect with Janell

    Instagram:
    https://www.instagram.com/thetransformationlife

    Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/thetransformationlife

    45 min
  • Episode 42: Why You Keep Eating When You're Not Hungry (It's Not Willpower)

    You know you're not hungry.

    You've had enough to eat.

    You might even recognize that you're reaching for food because you're stressed, overwhelmed, or looking for a little relief.

    So why doesn't knowing that make it any easier to stop?

    Because emotional eating isn't simply a matter of discipline or willpower.

    And understanding why you do something isn't the same as having the capacity to respond differently.

    In this episode of The Transformation Show, Janell welcomes back Meggie Martin for an honest conversation about emotional eating, nervous system capacity, and what it actually takes to change your relationship with food.

    Together, they explore why food can become such a familiar source of comfort, especially when life feels overwhelming, and why more food rules aren't necessarily the answer.

    In this conversation, you'll hear about:

    • Why emotional eating is often connected to nervous system capacity rather than willpower
    • Why recognizing a pattern doesn't automatically change it
    • How stress and hormonal shifts can influence your capacity
    • How childhood experiences shape your relationship with food
    • Why the holidays can intensify emotional eating and all-or-nothing thinking
    • The difference between enjoying food and needing it to change how you feel
    • How somatic awareness can help you recognize what's happening before reaching for food

    Janell and Meggie also share their experiences with dieting, emotional eating, and the exhaustion of constantly thinking about food.

    Janell reflects on years of approaching the holidays with an all-or-nothing mindset, including a Thanksgiving morning spent exercising for hours in anticipation of what she planned to eat.

    Meggie shares how her relationship with favorite holiday foods changed as she began understanding what was happening in her body.

    And they explore an important distinction:

    Do you want the food because you genuinely enjoy it? Or do you need it to help you escape something you're feeling?

    Neither question is an invitation to judge yourself. It's an opportunity to become curious about what your body may need.

    Because changing your relationship with food isn't about never enjoying something comforting again.

    It's about creating more than one way to care for yourself.

    🌿 Join Janell & Meggie for Regulate Her: Emotional Eating

    Saturday, November 7 | Twin Cities, Minnesota

    If you're ready to move beyond understanding your emotional eating patterns, Janell and Meggie invite you to an in-person experience where you can begin practicing something different.

    Regulate Her: Emotional Eating is a three-hour workshop combining education, guided somatic experiences, and practical tools to help you understand what's happening beneath the urge to eat.

    No diets. No new food rules. No shame.

    Learn more and register:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/regulate-her-emotional-eating

    🌿 Explore The Transformation Life

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    📱 Connect with Janell

    Instagram:
    https://www.instagram.com/thetransformationlife

    Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/thetransformationlife

    48 min
  • Episode 41: What Happens When You Actually Start Changing

    What happens when you finally start changing the patterns you've been trying to change?

    You set the boundary.

    You stop automatically saying yes.

    You ask for help instead of doing everything yourself.

    You stop fixing everyone else's problems.

    You respond differently.

    And then something unexpected happens:

    Change gets uncomfortable.

    Because transformation doesn't happen in isolation.

    When you start showing up differently, your relationships may shift. Other people's expectations of you may change. You might have to tolerate someone being disappointed or upset with you. And you may even begin questioning the identity you've spent years building.

    Sometimes the hardest part of changing isn't making a different choice. It's learning to stay with yourself after you've made it.

    In this episode of The Transformation Show, Janell continues her two-part conversation about why change can be so challenging and what actually happens when you begin practicing new responses.

    You don't need to have listened to Part 1 to benefit from this conversation.

    You'll hear about:

    • Why changing your own patterns can change your relationships
    • Why setting a boundary is sometimes easier than tolerating what happens afterward
    • How to stay connected to yourself when someone else is disappointed
    • Why building your capacity for discomfort is part of transformation
    • The difference between discomfort and being unsafe
    • How your existing beliefs influence what your brain pays attention to
    • Why you may be overlooking evidence that you're already changing
    • How immediate relief can reinforce familiar patterns like people pleasing, procrastination, emotional eating, and overworking
    • Why lasting transformation eventually becomes an identity conversation
    • How small, repeated choices help you build evidence for a different way of being
    • Why old patterns returning doesn't mean you've lost your progress

    One of the most important shifts Janell explores is learning to recognize transformation differently.

    It isn't necessarily that the old thought never appears again.

    Or that nobody ever disappoints you.

    Or that you never feel uncomfortable.

    Sometimes transformation means you notice the pattern sooner. You recover more quickly. You make a different choice. Or you stay connected to yourself even when the familiar response shows up.

    Instead of asking:

    "Why is this still happening?"

    What if you started asking:

    "Who am I when it happens now?"

    Because the evidence that you're changing isn't always found in what happens around you.

    Sometimes it's found in how you respond.

    And those small moments, repeated over time, are how a different way of being becomes more familiar.

    🌿 Somatic Healing Sessions

    If you're ready to explore the patterns your nervous system has learned and begin building the capacity to respond differently, Janell offers individual Somatic Healing Sessions.

    Learn more:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/somatic-healing

    🌿 Explore The Transformation Life

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    Missed Part 1? Listen to Why Change Is So Hard (Even When You Really Want It) for a deeper understanding of why familiar patterns can be so difficult to change, even when you consciously want something different.

    38 min
  • Episode 40: Why Change Is So Hard (Even When You Really Want It)

    Have you ever known exactly what you wanted to change... and still found yourself doing the same thing?

    Maybe you want to stop people pleasing, but the second someone is disappointed, you say yes.

    You know you need to slow down, but the minute you have an open afternoon, you find something productive to do.

    Maybe you've done the therapy, read the books, listened to the podcasts, and gained plenty of awareness. Yet when the moment arrives, there you are again.

    Same thought. Same reaction. Same behavior.

    And then comes the judgment:

    Why can't I change this?

    Here's the distinction Janell explores in this episode:

    Information and transformation are not the same thing.

    Knowing why you do something can be incredibly valuable. But knowing doesn't necessarily mean your brain and nervous system have a different response available when the moment actually arrives.

    In Part 1 of this two-part conversation, Janell explores why change can feel so difficult and what may actually be happening when you keep returning to an old pattern.

    You'll hear about:

    • Why transformation isn't necessarily about becoming someone new
    • The difference between responding and automatically reacting
    • How people pleasing, perfectionism, overworking, control, and shutting down can become protective patterns
    • Why your brain makes repeated thoughts, emotions, and behaviors increasingly efficient
    • How neuroplasticity and repetition help create new pathways
    • Why one new thought, boundary, or nervous system practice isn't expected to undo decades of repetition
    • How frequency, intensity, and duration can help you recognize progress
    • Why an old pattern returning doesn't mean you've failed
    • Why transformation doesn't happen on "Amazon Prime timing"
    • How to explore what an old pattern may still be protecting you from

    Transformation doesn't always mean the thought, trigger, or old pattern never appears again.

    Sometimes it means you notice sooner.

    The intensity is lower.

    You recover more quickly.

    You stay connected to yourself.

    You experience the same or a similar situation, and this time, you respond differently.

    And if there's a pattern you consciously want to change but keep returning to, Janell introduces a powerful question:

    What does staying here protect me from?

    🌿 Somatic Healing Sessions

    If you're ready to better understand the patterns your nervous system has learned and begin practicing different responses, Janell offers individual Somatic Healing Sessions.

    Learn more:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/somatic-healing

    🌿 Explore The Transformation Life

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    This conversation continues in Part 2.

    31 min
  • Episode 39: What Your Food Cravings Are Really Trying to Tell You

    What if your food cravings aren't just about hunger, discipline, or willpower?

    What if they're also telling you something about the state of your nervous system?

    Maybe you need coffee to get going in the morning. You hit an afternoon slump and immediately want sugar. Or after a stressful day, pizza, ice cream, or something comforting suddenly sounds amazing.

    We often make these experiences about emotional eating or a lack of willpower.

    But food changes how we feel.

    Food is a state changer. And sometimes we're not only craving a particular food. We're craving the state we've learned that food can help us create.

    In this episode, Janell explores the relationship between nutrition and nervous system health and why these aren't two separate conversations.

    You'll hear about:

    • Why coffee and sugar may become ways of trying to mobilize yourself
    • Why comfort foods can feel especially appealing after a day spent stressed or activated
    • How food can become part of a cycle of pushing yourself up and pulling yourself back down
    • Why blood sugar stability matters beyond metabolism
    • How under-eating, skipping meals, fasting, and relying on caffeine can leave your body under-resourced
    • Why nourishment can become a form of safety
    • How to get curious about cravings without labeling foods—or yourself—as good or bad
    • Why nutrition doesn't replace nervous system work, and nervous system work doesn't replace nutrition

    The next time you notice a craving, instead of immediately asking:

    "How do I stop craving this?"

    Try asking:

    "What might this craving be trying to tell me?"

    Are you tired? Underfed? Overwhelmed? Looking for energy, comfort, grounding, relief, or connection?

    And if you still want the food after asking those questions, eat it intentionally and enjoy it.

    This isn't about creating another food rule or finding a new way to control yourself. It's about building awareness of the relationship between what you're eating, how you're feeling, and what your body may be asking for.

    Because nutrition is nervous system work.

    🌿 Want more individualized support?

    If you're ready to better understand what your body is communicating and want personalized support with nutrition, hormones, metabolism, nervous system health, and the patterns affecting how you feel, Janell works one-on-one with women through the RESTORE Method™.

    Learn more:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/restore

    🌿 Explore The Transformation Life

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    28 min
  • Episode 38: The Fall Reset Your Body Actually Needs

    Have you noticed yourself wanting to go to bed a little earlier, craving warmer foods, feeling a shift in your energy, or simply wanting to slow down as fall approaches?

    Your body notices the changing season, even if your schedule doesn't.

    Modern life allows us to keep our homes the same temperature, eat the same foods, stare at screens after sunset, and maintain essentially the same routine 365 days a year.

    But your biology is still receiving information from the environment around you.

    In this episode, Janell explores what it can look like to work with your body as the seasons change instead of expecting it to operate exactly the same way year-round.

    You'll hear about:

    • Why changes in light and temperature matter to your circadian rhythm and nervous system
    • How morning light helps signal that the day has begun
    • Simple ways to create a clearer transition between daytime and nighttime
    • Why cooler temperatures can be a gentle form of seasonal adaptation
    • How seasonal foods can connect you with your environment without becoming another set of food rules
    • Why meal timing may shift as daylight hours change
    • How your evening environment can affect sleep and recovery
    • Why wanting more rest during a seasonal transition doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong
    • How to choose one supportive change instead of creating another seasonal wellness checklist

    This isn't about following a rigid seasonal protocol or doing everything perfectly.

    It's about paying attention.

    What has changed in your environment?

    What are you noticing in your energy, sleep, hunger, mood, and desire for rest?

    And what is one simple way you can work with that change instead of against it?

    Your body isn't asking you to live the exact same day 365 days a year.

    Nature doesn't do that.

    Neither do you need to.

    🌿 Ready for more individualized support?

    If you're noticing changes in your energy, sleep, digestion, hormones, or overall health and aren't sure what your body is trying to tell you, Janell's RESTORE Method™ is a place to start.

    Learn more:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/restore

    🌿 Explore The Transformation Life

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    28 min
  • Episode 37: Why Everything Feels Like Too Much: Understanding Nervous System Capacity

    Have you ever noticed that something small can completely derail you one day... and barely register on another?

    The spilled coffee didn’t get bigger.

    Your available capacity changed.

    If you’ve been practicing nervous system regulation but still find yourself easily overwhelmed, overstimulated, reactive, shut down, or feeling like everything is suddenly too much, there may be another piece of nervous system work worth understanding: capacity.

    Regulation and capacity aren’t the same thing.

    Regulation can support you through a difficult moment. Capacity changes how much sensation, emotion, stress, uncertainty, responsibility—and even joy—you can hold before your nervous system needs to sound the alarm.

    In this episode, Janell explores what nervous system capacity actually means, how to recognize when yours is running low, and how to gradually build more of it without turning nervous system healing into another thing you need to do perfectly.

    You’ll hear about:

    • The difference between nervous system regulation and capacity
    • Why your capacity can change from one day or season of life to another
    • How to recognize when you’re approaching the edge of your window of tolerance
    • Why capacity isn’t a measure of toughness or how much stress you can tolerate
    • How avoiding every trigger can reinforce the belief that discomfort is dangerous
    • Why learning to experience emotions is part of building capacity
    • How titration helps expand capacity without overwhelming your system
    • How sleep, nourishment, blood sugar, movement, hormones, and daily rhythms affect capacity
    • Why strength training can teach your body that it can experience load and recover
    • How your thoughts, beliefs, and expectations affect your nervous system
    • Why greater capacity also creates more room for joy, connection, success, pleasure, and the things you actually want

    Building capacity doesn’t mean becoming better at tolerating endless stress.

    And it doesn’t mean building your life around avoiding anything that might activate you.

    It means creating more room to be human.

    More room to feel without immediately needing to change how you feel.

    More room to experience uncertainty without needing an immediate answer.

    More room to respond instead of react.

    More room to rest and receive.

    And more room to stay connected to yourself while you live your life.

    🌿 Somatic Healing Sessions

    If this episode helped you recognize that you’re frequently operating at or beyond the edge of your current capacity, Janell offers individual

    Somatic Healing Sessions.

    Together, you can better understand your nervous system patterns, recognize what pushes you outside your window of tolerance, and begin building capacity in a way that works with your body rather than against it.

    Learn more:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/somatic-healing

    🌿 Explore The Transformation Life

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    📘 Free Resource: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health

    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    38 min
  • Episode 36: How Women Lose Themselves Without Realizing It

    How does a woman get so far away from herself without even realizing it?

    It rarely happens all at once.

    It can happen slowly, through years of taking care of other people, saying yes when you want to say no, ignoring what your body is telling you, keeping the peace, meeting expectations, and becoming really good at being who everyone else needs you to be.

    Until one day, you realize you’re not entirely sure what you need anymore.

    In this episode, Janell sits down with Angela Obert, business development expert and owner of Network Connection Minnesota, for a deeply personal conversation about people-pleasing, codependency, self-abandonment, identity, and what it takes to rebuild a relationship with yourself.

    Angela shares openly about her own experience with codependency and how she began recognizing the ways she had changed or abandoned parts of herself to please, help, or fix others. She and Janell also explore why “doing the work” doesn’t mean old patterns disappear, and how transformation can look less like eliminating those parts of yourself and more like changing your relationship with them.

    They talk about:

    • How people-pleasing can become self-abandonment
    • Why old patterns can still show up after years of personal growth
    • What rebuilding self-trust actually looks like
    • Why keeping small promises to yourself matters
    • The difference between consistency and perfection
    • How the nervous system can keep familiar identities and patterns in place
    • Learning to listen to the signals your body is sending
    • Why uncomfortable emotions, including anger, need space to be felt
    • How to begin separating what you genuinely want from what you’ve been conditioned to want
    • Why being physically “in the room” can create something another podcast, book, or program simply can’t

    Ultimately, so much of this conversation comes back to one thing:

    The relationship you have with yourself.

    And perhaps coming back to yourself isn’t about reinventing who you are.

    It’s about remembering.

    🌿 Remember Me: A Day to Come Back to Yourself

    On October 2, Janell and Angela are continuing this conversation in person with Remember Me, an intimate, full-day retreat for women at The Nest Retreat in Vadnais Heights, Minnesota.

    It’s a day to step outside the noise and responsibilities of everyday life, reconnect with your body and your own voice, and explore who you are in this season of your life.

    October 2, 2026 | 9:00 AM–5:00 PM
    The Nest Retreat | Vadnais Heights, MN
    Limited to 12 women

    Learn more and reserve your spot:
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/rememberme

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    51 min
  • Episode 35: Why There Isn't One Thing That's Going to Fix You

    What's the one thing I need to do to finally feel better?

    It's one of the most common questions Janell hears from women who have been struggling with fatigue, hormone changes, digestive issues, weight concerns, poor sleep, or simply feeling like they don't recognize their body anymore.

    The desire for one clear answer is understandable. When you've spent years trying different diets, supplements, practitioners, and protocols, the promise of a single solution feels hopeful.

    But what if healing doesn't work that way?

    In this episode, Janell explains why lasting healing isn't about finding one magic fix—it's about understanding the whole person. Your body isn't a collection of disconnected symptoms. Your hormones, metabolism, digestion, blood sugar, nervous system, emotions, relationships, environment, and life experiences all influence one another. When we begin looking for patterns instead of isolated problems, the picture becomes much clearer.

    In this episode, Janell discusses:

    • Why searching for "the one thing" can keep you stuck in the healing hustle
    • How seemingly unrelated symptoms are often connected
    • The difference between symptom-focused care and whole-person healing
    • Why more information doesn't always create more clarity
    • How understanding patterns leads to better decisions
    • Why you're not broken—and why that's one of the most freeing realizations in the healing journey

    If you've ever felt overwhelmed by conflicting advice or exhausted from trying one solution after another, this episode offers a calmer, more integrated way to think about your health.

    Related Episodes

    If you enjoyed this conversation, you may also like:

    • Why Fixing Your Hormones Isn't Fixing Your Symptoms
    • Why You Still Feel Stressed Even When the Problem Is Gone
    • The Hunger Food Can Never Satisfy
    • Food Noise: What It Actually Means (And Why It's Not Just About Food)

    Together, these conversations build a foundation for understanding health as an interconnected system—not a collection of isolated problems.

    🌿 Learn More

    Book a Free Health Clarity Call
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/restore

    Explore The Transformation Life
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/

    Free Guide: 5 Simple Daily Habits for Better Health
    https://www.thetransformationlife.com/5-simple-things

    27 min

About The Transformation Show

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Welcome to The Transformation Show, hosted by Functional Healing & Somatic Integration Coach Janell Yule.

If you’re a high-achieving woman who feels exhausted, inflamed, anxious,…