In this episode of Conversations, we dive into the tension between being a pioneer and seeking popularity. While pioneering is often romanticized, the reality is that it comes with sacrifices—like walking alone, embracing uncertainty, and facing criticism. We’ll explore how pioneers lead into uncharted territory, often at great personal cost, and why you can't have both popularity and the conviction to break new ground. If you're wondering whether you’re called to be a pioneer or just want the comfort of the crowd, this episode will challenge your perspective on leadership and purpose.

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