The Trusted Guide Podcast with Mark Slatin

Listen for some insights that provide a fresh perspective on how to overcome the challenges CX leaders face. We uncovered why being a trusted guide is more impactful than a heroic leader and how to prove your value through a winning CX roadmap. My guest, Patty Soltis, shared priceless insights on gaining influence, and I revealed my own journey of overcoming stakeholder resistance. If you're a CX leader looking to elevate your game, you'll hear useful tips and get a sneak peak at The Trusted Guide Roadmap™ Master Class. In this episode, Patty Soltis, CCXP and I explore:

• The roadblocks that impede and often derail customer experience efforts
• How lack of trust is a silent killer to real change 
• Why some stakeholders may be resistant to your recommendations
• The 4 keys that help CX professionals and other change agents overcome common obstacles: 
• Earning Trust
• Becoming a Guide
• Building Your CX Roadmap
• Proving the Value

Patty Soltis is a Senior Customer Experience Manager at Upwork, the world's work marketplace that connects businesses with independent talent from across the globe. Patty's experience includes a CX leadership role at The Moffitt Cancer Center, Neiman Marcus, Lord and Taylor and more. Patty can be reached here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattysoltis/

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How would you rate your emotional intelligence? It turns out that the core of any successful customer experience initiative is deeply intertwined with the capacity and willingness of employees to communicate effectively. Emotional intelligence is a fundamental skill when it comes to communication. Sandra Thompson is an EI expert and ranks as a top 10 Emotional Intelligence leaders on LinkedIn. She joined me on The Delighted Customers Podcast to help leaders navigate EI and understand the very real impact EI has on the customer experience, and ultimately employee and customer engagement. "You have to put in the work!" Sandra says. "Some may be able to do it (improve their EI) on their own...while others may need an accountability coach to hold the mirror up and ask them tough questions." Sandra shares practical suggestions that business leaders can implement right away to lift their emotional intelligence personally and organizationally. Here are some of the highlights included in this episode:5 tips for improving emotional intelligence 

• 5 Tips to Improve Emotional Intelligence
• Emotional intelligence and it's connection to CX
• The Jellybean Game and the importance of visceral customer experiences
• The impact of bad customer experiences and the inflection point for loyalty
• The practice of gratitude and its impact on starting the day positively

This episode is rich with ideas and insights and I love the British accent! Meet Sandra! Sandra Thompson is the first Goleman Emotional Intelligence Coach in the UK. She started out as a Customer Experience consultant in 2010 when she founded Exceed all Expectations, a management consultancy focusing on improving customer and employee experience. Sandra rebranded as The Ei Evolution in Jan 2021 because she believes that the skill of emotional intelligence can transform the way businesses behave, improve the relationships between customer and employee and between colleagues too. She is still working in the field of customer experience but the new brand enables Sandra to work more with schools – she believes that teaching young people how to become more emotionally intelligent could help them thrive. 

Sandra has been fortunate to work with clients such as: Vodafone, Arsenal Football Club, Waitrose, Open University, Battersea Dog & Cats home, and Network Rail. She gives keynotes and frequently presents on webinars and podcasts to an international audience on all matters CX, EX and EI. Sandra has been fortunate to lecture part-time at a Business School in London on the topics of People Management and Leadership and Professional Behaviours and Customer Management and she runs a series of postgraduate courses in Customer Experience and Emotional Intelligence. She presented her first academic paper in 2019, TEDx in 2020, and intends to start a PhD in 2025. It's true to say that she's a lifelong learner. 

Recommended Book: Man's Search for Meaning, Viktor Frankl - https://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl-ebook/dp/B009U9S6FI Here is the reference to the cards:

https://www.ridersandelephants.com/the-emotional-culture-deck-pdf-download

 Lisa Feldman Barrett link for her publications: https://lisafeldmanbarrett.com 

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How could you leverage AI to earn growth from customer referrals? Andy Cockburn, CEO of Mention Me, took his knowledge and experience of working with Bain and with Fred Reichheld during the infancy phase of NPS's launch to create an AI tool that does just that. The Earned Growth Model, advocated by Reichheld in Winning on Purpose, posits a very specific point of differentiation from other growth models. It states that the customers who love you the most are where you can mine the most future growth. But how? Andy unveils how he pioneered a model to translate into customer love into earned growth. In this episode: 

• Importance of Earned Growth and Referral Programs
• Leveraging earned growth as a vital metric for success
• Optimizing Customer Journeys for Advocacy
• Insights gained from referral networks about customer behavior
• The Concept of Extended Customer Revenue
• Using AI to assess customer propensity to refer and predict revenue
• Relying on advocacy for organic growth and stronger business relationships

...and so much more This episode is packed with gems! Meet Andy! Andy Cockburn is CEO and Co-Founder of Mention Me, the Customer Advocacy platform empowering brands to turn fans into a powerful growth driver. Since co-founding the business in 2013, he's scaled Mention Me to employ more than 120 advocacy experts who have delivered over USD $2.2bn in revenue for more than 500 clients, including Puma, Charlotte Tilbury, Michael Kors and other major brands worldwide.

Prior to Mention Me, Andy was the UK Managing Director of VRBO, the world's largest market-place for vacation rentals (that floated on the NASDAQ for $3bn), and formerly the founder and CEO of Wigadoo, a technology start-up in the social payment space. He has an MBA from INSEAD and MA from Cambridge University. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andycockburn/

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Imagine a world where AI not only understands but acts on unsolicited customer and employee conversations, tapping into a treasure trove of data — from contact center chats to doctor's scribbles. Leslie Pagel is a CX thought leader who led organizations across industries in CX strategy during her 20 plus years at Walker. Now she's helping healthcare organizations provide better experiences by empowering them to tell stories with data. We talk about ways that AI can be used to tell stories that simply couldn't be captured without the technology that's available today. In this episode:

• Utilization of machine learning to identify customer care frictions
• Processing of unstructured data like doctor notes and health records
• The Role of Storytelling in Data Presentation
• AI's role in improving healthcare strategies
• The Future of Surveys in Customer Insights

Hear Leslie share her mission of leveraging AI to help humans understand humans. Meet Leslie Leslie Pagel is the Chief Evangelist of Authenticx – a conversational AI company dedicated to improving the way healthcare companies engage with patients and customers. In this role, she creates awareness, across the healthcare industry, of more efficient and effective ways for healthcare organizations to leverage the authentic customer voice to achieve the desired health and business outcomes. With over two decades of working with customer and patient experience teams, Leslie helps clients actualize the voice of the customer to show how these voices prompt meaningful action. Here's a link to Conscious Capitalism: https://www.consciouscapitalism.org/

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What are some of the most common mistakes that leaders make when it comes to customer loyalty? Join customer and employee loyalty expert, NPS co-inventor, co-author of The Ultimate Question 2.0, and world renown CX thought leader, Rob Markey in Part 2 of our conversation on value, loyalty, and loyalty programs. In this episode: - Common loyalty pitfalls - The impact of broken trust on loyalty - Where Southwest and Delta Airlines misstepped and broke loyalty - Link between rational, experiential, and emotional aspects of customer evaluation - How the three lens we use to assess value work together If you haven't already listened to Part 1, I highly encourage you to do so. Meet Rob Rob Markey is a leader in Bain's Customer Strategy & Marketing practice. He joined our firm in 1990, and has led assignments in the financial services, telecommunications, retailing, media, professional services, health care, building equipment and food processing industries.

Rob is an expert in customer and employee loyalty, new product development and customer service strategies. He has extensive experience with direct marketing, new customer acquisition and cost reduction for clients in the retail banking, credit card and insurance businesses. 

Rob leads the NPS Loyalty Forum, a group of approximately 35 senior executives from loyalty-leading companies around the world, such as The Vanguard Group, American Express, JetBlue, Telstra, TD Bank, LEGO, Progressive Insurance, PwC and Intuit. He has published numerous articles on various aspects of customer experience and loyalty in publications such as the Harvard Business Review. He is the co-author of The Ultimate Question 2.0: How Net Promoter Companies Thrive in a Customer-Driven World, by Harvard Business Review Press, a New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller. Rob is also the host of The Customer Confidential Podcast.

He formerly served as head of the firm's Customer Strategy & Marketing practice.

Prior to joining Bain, he developed competitive strategy, led business development and served in product marketing for LEXIS/NEXIS and the IBM Corporation.

Rob earned an MBA from the Harvard Business School. He is a graduate of Brown University, where he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in economics. 

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The Three Dimensions of Customer Value Creation

Rob Markey ought to know a thing or two about customer loyalty. 

Rob was a CX expert and thought leader at Bain long before he and his colleague Fred Reichheld introduced Net Promoter to the world. 

He is a leader in Bain's Customer Customer Strategy and Marketing practice and the co-author of The Ultimate Question 2.0 with Fred Reichheld.

This episode was originally intended as a deep dive on customer loyalty through the customer lifecycle for my Michigan State University Master's students but it was just too good to not share in an episode. 

As usual, Rob brings insights and wisdom to empower anyone interested in creating value for their customers starting with the three dimensions of value according Bain uses in their approach with clients. 

Also included in this episode:

👉 The 3 dimensions of value

👉 Examples of differentiating from competitors through unique features and exceptional customer service

👉 How different dimensions of value are weighed differently at various customer lifecycle stages

👉 Focusing on revenue and cost forecasting in a language understood by stakeholders

👉 Copying versus learning and synthesizing from others

👉 Warning against going down a technology or data-led path without clear goals

👉 Empirical evidence on NPS as a predictor of a company's growth rate

and a whole lot more, so much so that we had to break it into two episodes. 

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Meet Rob Rob Markey is a leader in Bain's Customer Strategy & Marketing practice. He joined our firm in 1990, and has led assignments in the financial services, telecommunications, retailing, media, professional services, health care, building equipment and food processing industries.

Rob is an expert in customer and employee loyalty, new product development and customer service strategies. He has extensive experience with direct marketing, new customer acquisition and cost reduction for clients in the retail banking, credit card and insurance businesses. 

Rob leads the NPS Loyalty Forum, a group of approximately 35 senior executives from loyalty-leading companies around the world, such as The Vanguard Group, American Express, JetBlue, Telstra, TD Bank, LEGO, Progressive Insurance, PwC and Intuit. He has published numerous articles on various aspects of customer experience and loyalty in publications such as the Harvard Business Review. He is the co-author of The Ultimate Question 2.0: How Net Promoter Companies Thrive in a Customer-Driven World, by Harvard Business Review Press, a New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller. Rob is also the host of The Customer Confidential Podcast.

He formerly served as head of the firm's Customer Strategy & Marketing practice.

Prior to joining Bain, he developed competitive strategy, led business development and served in product marketing for LEXIS/NEXIS and the IBM Corporation.

Rob earned an MBA from the Harvard Business School. He is a graduate of Brown University, where he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in economics. 

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Eckhart climbed through the ranks at Microsoft leveraging his background as an industrial engineer turned customer experience maestro. He sheds light on the transformative "jobs to be done" concept and how understanding the true gains, pains, and solutions can revolutionize how we approach customer satisfaction. We'll also hear how Eckhart's method veers away from traditional journey maps to dissect the full 360-cycle of customer progress. With a deep dive into a real-world case study, we'll see how his process not only saves companies from costly missteps but also propels them towards delivering profound customer-centric solutions. In this episode: - What does it mean to focus on customer "jobs to be done" - Importance of understanding customer gains, pains, and solutions - Utilizing the "wheel of progress" for structured data capturing - Conducting and consolidating customer interviews - The five-step process to understand and prioritize customer jobs This outside-in approach to understanding customer desires to design and deliver improved experiences that connect to customers emotions is groundbreaking. Meet Eckhart Eckhart Boehme is the former Curriculum Architect Marketing Excellence @Microsoft Corporation. Eckhart is the founder and managing director of strategy consulting firm unipro solutions and an internationally recognized Jobs to Be Done expert. He was the initiator and co-developer of The Wheel of Progress® Canvas - a tool for structuring qualitative customer research. He is the developer the Customer Progress Design method. He was the subject matter expert to the German editions of the Jobs to Be Done "bible" Competing Against Luck by Clayton Christensen et. al. and Eric Ries' The Startup Way.

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Elizabeth's professional journey is a tapestry woven with innovation, creativity, and dedication to enhancing the customer experience. With a career spanning over 18 years, including a significant tenure at the esteemed Chick-fil-A, Elizabeth's expertise has been sought after by illustrious brands such as Disney, Gap, and YMCA, as well as the Cooper Aerobics Center. As a serial entrepreneur, Elizabeth couples her business acumen with her artistic flair, notably stepping into the world of fashion as a pajama designer. Her passion for customer service culminated in authoring "The Power of Customer Experience," where she illuminates her insights through five pivotal elements designed to leave a lasting impact in the business sphere. Some of the practical tips from this episode include:

• How Chick-fil-A operationalizes CX
• The importance of care and Empowerment to business outcomes
• Leadership's role in building a customer-centric culture
• A victor mindset vs. a victim mentality
• Insights from her new book, The Strength of Purpose
• Lessons from cheerleading flops
• The power of "repotting"
• Her new line of comfy sleepwear

What a classy individual who has a seemingly endless amount of energy and inspiration! Meet Elizabeth Making the Daunting Doable

Elizabeth Dixon is an engaging business leader and serial entrepreneur connecting with executives and their teams, integrating strategy, innovation, leadership, and personal development in speeches that ignite conversation and inspire purposeful action.

She shares secrets to creating exceptional customer experiences for audiences world-wide at live events and through virtual video resources, consulting, and The Power of Customer Experience, her debut book outlining proven elements for lasting impact in what has become the most crucial component of business success.

Blessed to work for extraordinary brands including Disney World, Gap, YMCA, and Cooper Aerobics Center, mentored by renowned leaders including Dan Cathy and Horst Schulze, Elizabeth brings almost 20 years of experience as a leader at the Chick-fil-A Support Center, where she served in Service & Hospitality, Strategy, Research & Development, and Human Resources. She has also collaborated with the great brands of Southwest Airlines, Drury Hotels, Zappos, and Wegmans.

Always growing, always creating, Elizabeth's current role is Executive Director of Trilith Foundation, reporting to Dan Cathy, Chairman of Chick-fil-A. She has founded, operated, and sold several small businesses while coaching emerging entrepreneurs toward success in achieving their business goals.

In her leisure time, Elizabeth enjoys being a student of cooking with her daughter, an average backyard soccer player with her son, a vigorous reader, and an adventure enthusiast with her family. https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethdixonspeaks/ Elizabeth Dixon bio - https://qrcd.org/45Oe www.slumbersleepwear.com https://vimeo.com/889308776

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One of my favorite stories is The Fisherman's Dilemma. It's a tale of an angler who wants to bring a treasure trove of fish home to his loving wife and family. Although he uses every strategy and tactic, he discovers a whole in the bottom of the net. Regardless of his harvest, the hole stole his bounty. Customer acquisition is an important first step for organizations to prosper. But much like the fisherman in the story, unless you've got a strategy to engage customers beyond their initial onboarding, they will slip through the hole in the net. Join the CEO and Founder of SuiteCX, and CX thought leader Valerie Peck as she shares some insights on how to engage customers throughout their lifecycle including:

• The Importance of Customer Engagement
• Consistency across different customer touchpoints
• Influence of departmental and channel silos on engagement
• Importance of engaging and enabling employees
• Technology as an Enabler, Not the Solution

Valerie was featured in this Creating Emotional Connections: The Power of Loyalty Programs with Valerie Peck: https://qrcd.org/42Mn

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What if you 1 in 4 Americans relied on the experience you led? 60,000,000 Americans rely on AAA for their roadside assistance when things don't go as planned. Bryan Sander, CCXP MBA, leads customer experience for AAA and joins me on the Delighted Customers Podcast (episode will drop tomorrow). Bryan's advice for CX leaders interested in strategies for growing credibility? He's assembled a CX team of over people helping AAA deliver outstanding and consistently good experiences to their members. Bryan is one of the sharpest minds among CX practitioners who I've ever met. You will not want to miss a minute. Tons of practical insights from one of my favorite CX leaders including: 👉 Use of ROI models and financial tooling to show the CX impact 👉 Understanding how the Rider and the Elephant metaphor can help you influence decision-makers 👉 The Alien and Clark Kent 👉 Bryan's opinion of Fred Reichheld's Earned Growth Model Powerful!

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