A BFA doesn't make you a working actor.

What’s the difference between foundational training and ongoing training as a professional actor?

In this episode, we unpack the distinction between degree-based programs (BFA/MFA) and the kind of training actors pursue once they’re working in the industry.

Neither of us came up through conservatory programs — but we’re both deeply committed to ongoing training. Benjamin talks about the classes that shaped him at HB Studio in New York. Patrick reflects on the private studio in Hollywood that transformed his craft. In both cases, the work demanded imagination, truth, and personal responsibility — not just trying to impress a teacher.

We explore:

• The strengths of foundational programs
• The pitfalls of thinking a degree means you’re “done”
• Why some actors struggle to transition from student to professional
• How class can become a shield from the marketplace
• And why community and continued growth matter at every level

Training doesn’t end when school does. And the actors who last are the ones who keep sharpening the tool.

If you’re navigating your own path — whether in school, out of school, or years into your career — this conversation will help you think about training in a more strategic way.