A comment sparks a raw, honest conversation between co-hosts Destaney Wishon and Gabi Viljoen about what it really means to be a woman in leadership today. From being told to “soften your tone” to being judged by appearance on stage, they dive deep into the double standards women face in eCommerce & Entrepreneurship and how they have aimed to navigate them with confidence, empathy, and grace.

They unpack why women often have to prove themselves twice, how emotional intelligence becomes a superpower, and why the next generation gives them hope. With stories, laughter, and a little Cabernet, this episode is for every woman who's ever been underestimated and every man ready to understand.