The Unconventional Leadership Podcast

Season 4, Episode 258

Be the Force Multiplier: Dave Knox on Scaling, Building, and Leading Through Crisis (feat. Dave Knox & Mike Sipple Jr.)

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Dave Knox built brands inside P&G, scaled Rockfish from $6 million to $70-80 million in revenue before its acquisition by WPP, bought and rebuilt Nature's Willow starting with zero employees, and now leads Blue North's $16.5 million SparkHaus -- all while navigating a public cancer diagnosis in the middle of construction. This episode is about what it takes to build infrastructure for other people instead of chasing your own credit.

In this episode:

- Why P&G's emphasis on "leadership on paper" taught Dave that writing well mattered more than face time with senior leaders

- The contrarian bet on digital marketing that separated Dave from his Ivy League-credentialed peers

- What actually breaks when a company scales from $6 million to eight figures -- not systems, but people who loved an earlier phase of the company

- Why Rockfish co-founder Kenny Tomlin's decision to hire outside leadership, instead of promoting only from within, was one of the hardest and best calls Dave saw a founder make

- The negotiation logic behind betting on the longest earn-out instead of the biggest number, and what it meant to keep running the company as if it were still independent

- Buying Nature's Willow with zero employees and rebuilding a broken supply chain, manufacturer, and stability testing from scratch -- then relaunching the same month retail shut down in 2020

- Getting a cancer diagnosis mid-construction on SparkHaus, going from diagnosis to cancer-free in five weeks, and why he decided to make it public

- Dave's definition of unconventional leadership: don't be the force, be the force multiplier

Timecodes:

00:02:16 - What P&G's brand discipline taught Dave about leading through writing

00:10:34 - Scaling Rockfish from $6 million to $70-80 million, and what breaks along the way

00:16:12 - Why bringing in outside leadership was the hardest right call

00:40:55 - Buying Nature's Willow with zero employees and fixing a broken supply chain

00:52:43 - The cancer diagnosis that hit mid-construction on SparkHaus

01:10:19 - Dave's definition of unconventional leadership: "be the force multiplier"

Links and Resources:

- Connect with Dave Knox: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daveknox/

- Predicting the Turn (book) by Dave Knox: https://a.co/d/0jcwqOz7

- Blue North: https://bluenorthky.com

- SparkHaus (Blue North's Northern Kentucky entrepreneurial hub): https://sparkhaus.co

- Imerman Angels (peer-to-peer cancer support nonprofit): https://imermanangels.org

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Season 4, Episode 257

The Myth of Burnout (feat. Joey Haselmayer & Mike Sipple Jr.)

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Joey Haselmayer, CEO of The Living Room and a consumer researcher who studies behavior for some of the biggest brands on earth, joins Mike Sipple Jr. to ask a harder question than "how do you avoid burnout": what if burnout usually means you've lost sight of why you're doing the work at all.

In this episode:

- Why Joey believes true physical burnout is rare -- and what's actually driving most of what people call burnout

- How a "B race" or "C race" keeps a long training block from turning into exhaustion

- What 76 miles on his feet in a last-man-standing ultra taught him about the difference between mental and physical limits

- Why family businesses never get a clean "changing of the guard" moment, and what that costs successors

- The daily coffee ritual he and his wife have never automated -- and why that's the point

- Why "extreme ownership" breaks down the moment you try to apply it inside a marriage

- How imposter syndrome kept him playing it safe until ultrarunning proved he could handle more than he thought

- Why an annual retreat away from cell service does more for his leadership than any boardroom conversation

Timecodes:

03:27 - What years of consumer research have taught Joey about himself

06:17 - Why family business transitions never get a "changing of the guard" moment

24:15 - Redefining burnout: it's not exhaustion, it's losing sight of the vision

42:07 - Inside the 76-mile last-man-standing ultra that pushed him past his limit

56:07 - Running an event-space business through a pandemic that made gathering illegal

59:46 - What happens around a dinner table in Wyoming that never happens in a boardroom

Resources mentioned:

- The Living Room, Cincinnati (Norwood event space) https://talentmagnet.com/thelivingroom/

- Haselmayer Goods https://shoptheh.com/

- Refuge Foundation https://refugefoundation.org/

- Dappled Light https://www.dappledlightadventures.com

- Extreme Ownership https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Ownership-U-S-Navy-SEALs

- Good to Great by Jim Collins (the "hedgehog concept") https://a.co/d/02LltNDX

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Season 4, Episode 256

The Hardest Thing to Scale Is Talent (feat. Rubi Ho & Mike Sipple Jr.)

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Rubi Ho escaped Saigon as a child, built and sold a successful corporate career, then walked away from it to become what he calls a "company coach" -- and in this episode he and Mike Sipple Jr. dig into why the hardest thing any leader will ever try to scale isn't systems or processes, it's talent.

In this episode:

- Rubi's origin story -- fleeing Vietnam the day before the fall of Saigon, and the judge who refused to split up his eight siblings -- is the root of everything he teaches about confronting fear instead of managing it

- An "elephant" is any limiting belief that keeps you smaller than who you actually are -- and you can't solve it by treating the symptom, only by going after the source

- The hardest thing to scale in any organization is talent -- you can scale widgets, processes, and systems, but talent doesn't scale the same way

- How to lead through VUCA (volatility, uncertainty, complexity, ambiguity): before deciding whether to change, disrupt, transform, or stay the same, test the decision against all four

- AI is a powerful tool, but it will always need a human "orchestrator" -- it's the conductor, not the other way around

- Family-business CEOs, corporate successor CEOs, and founder CEOs each hit a different version of the same wall -- and each needs a different first question answered

- You can't leave your "whole self" at home before work -- the job of leadership is managing that reality, not pretending it doesn't exist

- Rubi's definition of unconventional leadership: speaking the truth without ego, regardless of what it costs you professionally

Timecodes:

2:14 Rubi's origin story -- fleeing Vietnam the day before the fall of Saigon

7:53 Why he wrote "Confronting My Elephants"

11:06 What an "elephant" really is, and how confronting one differs from managing it

32:05 Why he went back for an executive MBA at Xavier after already earning two master's degrees

42:15 Leading through VUCA -- treating volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity as the new normal

49:56 Three CEO personas -- family, corporate successor, and founder -- and where each gets stuck

1:04:18 Why AI will always need a human "orchestrator"

1:10:45 His definition of unconventional leadership: speaking truth without ego

Resources mentioned:

- "Confronting My Elephants" by Rubi Ho

- Connect with Rubi Ho: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rubiho/

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Season 4, Episode 255

Show Up and Be Credible (feat. DJ Hodge & Mike Sipple Jr.)

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DJ Hodge spent over 20 years running some of the biggest radio markets in the country before walking away from a safe, known role to help build the Cincinnati Crown Network from scratch. He tells Mike what changed the moment a mentor told him he was working too hard to establish credibility when he could just show up and be credible.

In this episode:

- Why "you're working so hard to establish credibility when you could just show up and be credible" changed how DJ leads

- The pivot point of being a terrible leader at 27, managing a team older than himself, before he'd ever heard the term imposter syndrome

- Why DJ tracks mentors, not mentees -- and the specific people (Joe Calabrese, Mike Wieder, Louis Kirkham) who altered his career path

- The daily non-negotiables that keep his battery full: protecting sleep, being in the office by 6:30 a.m., and rehearsing hard conversations on a six-mile Saturday walk

- How the Cincinnati Crown Network launched with 2.2 million social impressions in 4 hours against a goal of 500,000

- Why DJ said no to two safer job offers within eight days of a reorg to build something new with Anthony Breen instead

- His framework for leading through setbacks: separate what's real from what's fear, then lean into what you can control

- What "unconventional leadership" means to him: leading with your heart, not a textbook, and finding what motivates each individual person

Timecodes:

00:00 It is your attitude, not your aptitude, that determines your altitude

01:05 Introducing DJ Hodge and his 20+ year media career

04:00 The pivot point: a terrible first year as a leader at 27

06:29 Accountability is not a punishment

08:02 Launching the Cincinnati Crown Network

12:30 The John Woodhouse quote that changed his mindset in 1995

18:41 Daily habits and non-negotiables that keep him grounded

29:15 Leading a team through setbacks and hard seasons

53:17 Inside the Crown Network launch: 2.2 million impressions in 4 hours

1:00:03 What unconventional leadership means to DJ

Resources mentioned:

Cincinnati Crown Network

Centennial

Talent Magnet Institute

Rocket Fuel by Gino Wickman

Links and Resources:

- Connect with DJ Hodge: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dj-hodge-9666643/

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Season 4, Episode 254

Choosing Your Heart Through Retirement, Succession, and Loss (feat. Mary Miller & Mike Sipple Jr.)

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Mary Miller built JANCOA into the company behind the bestselling business parable The Dream Manager, then handed the CEO seat to her daughter and stepped fully into caregiving for her husband Tony through his dementia diagnosis -- this episode is about what it actually takes to let go, stay present, and choose your heart when the plan changes.

In this episode:

- How a consultant who quit on day one pushed Mary and Tony to stop asking "where do we find people" and start asking "what can we do to attract people"

- The real story behind The Dream Manager -- how a chance conversation at a retreat turned JANCOA's turnover fix into a worldwide business parable

- Why Mary became CEO because Tony told her "I hate being the CEO," and what that kind of honesty does for a leadership team

- What actually made succession work: staying open about the plan early, using trusted advisors, and giving family members real ownership before handing over the title

- How Strategic Coach's entrepreneurial time system -- 24 hours a day fully off from business -- protected their marriage and their business for three decades

- Why Mary stepped away from public speaking and coaching in December 2024 to prioritize her time with Tony

- The life lesson Mary repeats most since Tony's dementia diagnosis: don't wait for "later," because later isn't guaranteed

- Her definition of an unconventional leader: someone who focuses on where they want to be, not where they are, and helps others do the same

Timecodes:

03:45 - The shift from Dream Manager to Dream Engineering

05:16 - The retirement conversation Mary never saw coming

14:04 - How a bestselling author turned their turnover fix into The Dream Manager

25:30 - What it took to prepare the business, and the family, for succession

39:59 - Why "I'll enjoy it later" is the riskiest plan there is

56:22 - The lesson Mary shares most since Tony's dementia diagnosis

1:03:09 - Mary's definition of an unconventional leader

Resources mentioned:

- The Dream Manager (book, inspired by JANCOA)

- Changing Direction: Ten Choices That Impact Your Dreams (book by Mary Miller)

- Strategic Coach

- Necessary Endings by Dr. Henry Cloud

- The Goering Center for Family and Private Businesses, University of Cincinnati

- Doing Business Differently podcast with Jesse Cole (Savannah Bananas)

Links and Resources:

- Connect with Mary Miller: https://dreamengineer.com/

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Season 4, Episode 253

How This Woman Broke Into the C-Suite — And Refused to Stay Silent (feat. Teresa Tanner & Mike Sipple Jr.)

Teresa Tanner spent 30 years making the toughest calls in rooms most leaders never enter — from a heroic boss who carried her through her daughter's cancer diagnosis, to leaving the C-suite at the top of her game to build something no one had built before. In this conversation, she and Mike Sipple Jr. unpack how to find your voice at work, why a culture of integrity is impossible without healthy conflict, and how leading from your values (not your fear of loss) changes everything. They dig into the people-first strategy that cut new-parent attrition by 25%, why every applicant is a potential customer, the rhythms of reflection that keep leaders healthy, and the trail Teresa blazed with Reserve Squad to keep great talent connected instead of walking out the door.

Timecodes:

00:00 - "Don't silence your voice"

01:05 - Meet Teresa Tanner: 30 years in rooms few people enter

02:44 - When her daughter Kayla was diagnosed with leukemia

05:00 - The boss who said "now it's our turn"

07:10 - Leading from your values when fear takes over

09:10 - The entrepreneur bug and falling into HR

10:01 - Why she pursued an Executive MBA at Xavier

13:38 - The "People P&L": invest in people, make more money

18:04 - Why chase the C-suite as a woman in business

19:40 - "You won't run me off in 19 months"

23:36 - Courageous leadership: never be afraid to be fired

26:00 - Why there's no culture of integrity without conflict

29:05 - How to find your voice (and not be a jerk)

31:13 - The maternity concierge program born in a town hall

35:49 - Every applicant is a possible customer

38:21 - Walking away from the C-suite at the top

42:08 - Retreats, rhythms, and reflection

43:18 - A cancer diagnosis 90 days after leaving

46:06 - "You're not too busy for a mammogram"

48:18 - Launching Reserve Squad: a terrifying leap

51:10 - Watching great talent walk out the door

54:05 - Building a new lane on the employment highway

59:27 - Starting a nonprofit: Web & Activated

1:01:33 - Working alongside her daughter Kayla

1:03:07 - What drives her to blaze new trails

1:04:34 - What unconventional leadership means to her

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Season 4, Episode 252

It's Not Talent, It's Daily Habits (feat. Leighann Rechtin & Mike Sipple Jr.)

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Dr. Leighann Rechtin, Learning and and Engagement Officer at Talent Magnet Institute, joins Mike Sipple Jr. to unpack why the gap between great managers and average ones has nothing to do with talent -- and everything to do with daily habits -- previewing eight Leadership Labs topics TMI is rolling out.

In this episode:

- Why mid-level managers absorb the most tension in an organization -- they're relaying decisions they didn't make to people who don't trust the message

- The one daily habit -- genuine check-ins, not micromanaging -- that separates great managers from average ones

- Why most people are terrible at receiving positive feedback, and what that reveals about a leader's culture

- How to build critical thinking in people who were only ever rewarded for executing without question

- Why using AI to lead better means learning to verify its output, not fear or blindly trust it

- The data behind the crisis: 21% global engagement, 73% of companies say they need to reinvent the manager role, and only 7% are actually doing it

- Why belonging -- not fitting in -- is the real driver of employee engagement

- The listening exercise (with a Bible trivia twist) that exposes how much information your brain skips when someone else is talking

Timecodes:

06:15 Where Leighann's passion for learning and development started

11:14 The psychology of micro-expressions and why teams communicate more than they realize

22:12 Topic 1 -- feedback that changes behavior, and why leaders struggle to give and receive it

27:27 Topic 2 -- using AI to lead better without losing human judgment

34:21 Topic 5 -- the daily habits that separate great managers from everyone else

53:02 The engagement data: 21% disengaged, 73% know they need to change, only 7% are doing it

58:31 Why 93% of employees say they'd stay if they felt actively invested in

Resources mentioned:

- Talent Magnet Institute's Leadership Labs (8-part learning series)

- Gallup employee engagement research

- Talent Magnet's HR Mastermind program

Links and Resources:

- Connect with Leighann Rechtin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leighann-rechtin-edd-09b80945/

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John Yockey has spent decades leading teams and now coaches C-suite executives as faculty at the Talent Magnet Institute -- and in this episode he and Mike Sipple Jr. tackle the question every accomplished leader eventually faces: when does being the most capable person in the room stop helping your team and start holding them back?

In this episode:

- Trust is the foundation before strategy -- without it, challenge feels like a personal attack, and even talented teams underperform

- New leaders who skip relationships and jump straight to the technical work lose a window they never get back

- The Airport Story: when people are in uncertainty, they will fill the silence with their own story -- communicate what you can, when you can, even without perfect information

- During acquisitions and high-growth phases, the most powerful move is communicating proactively before communications go quiet

- Trust is built through vulnerability, not efficiency -- treating relationships like a transaction is the fastest way to lose your team

- The hardest leadership transition is becoming a multiplier -- if everything still flows through you, you're a bottleneck, not a leader

- Resolve decisions at the lowest possible level; overriding every uncomfortable call destroys the empowerment you claim to want

- Approachability is not a soft skill -- it's what gets people two levels down comfortable enough to tell you what's actually going on

Timecodes:

1:10 Introduction -- who is John Yockey and what he brings to leadership teams

2:47 Lencioni's Five Dysfunctions of a Team as the foundation for trust

4:03 Why curiosity is the starting point for building a leadership network

5:17 The hidden cost of losing your network when you enter a new organization

8:50 The Airport Story -- how to lead communication with incomplete information

12:37 Communicating through acquisitions when you can't share everything

16:25 Proactive communication -- say what you can before the blackout period hits

20:29 Trust through vulnerability -- why being efficient with relationships doesn't work

22:16 When high performers become bottlenecks -- the smartest person in the room problem

23:09 Multiplier vs. individual contributor -- what it actually means to lead

Resources mentioned:

- The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni

- Connect with John Yockey: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-yockey-cpc/

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Season 4, Episode 250

250 Episodes: What Leading Through the Mess Actually Teaches You (feat. Mike Sipple Jr.)

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After 8 years and 250 episodes, Mike Sipple Jr. sits down alone to tell the truth: not about what went right, but about what it actually cost to keep going. This milestone isn't a highlight reel. It's an honest accounting of loss, painful pauses, and what the unconventional leadership journey has demanded of him personally, relationally, and professionally.

The leaders who build something lasting, something generational, something that outlives the title on the card, are the ones who stopped trying to carry it alone. Episode 250 is Mike's reflection on what it took to get here, what it cost, and why he's more convicted than ever about what's coming next.

In this episode:

- Why Mike paused the podcast twice, once from business pressure and team burnout, once from the loss of his sister, and what brought him back both times

- The specific loneliness of leadership: not "I don't have friends" lonely, but the particular isolation of holding a vision no one else can fully see

- What 250 conversations taught him about leaders who build something lasting and the ones who let others carry it with them

- The personal health and burnout reckoning he had mid-journey, and why he couldn't authentically podcast about leadership while running on empty

- How going from audio to video took the show from tens of thousands to millions of impressions, and what that visibility has meant for the movement

- Why there is no version of you at work that's disconnected from who you are at home and what it really means to lead holistically

- What's ahead in Season 4: sponsors, a more independent brand, and a deepened commitment to walking alongside leaders for the long term

Timecodes:

00:02:18 -- Mike introduces episode 250 and why he chose to speak from the heart with no script

00:10:44 -- The conviction he had starting the podcast and what 8 years proved right

00:25:32 -- What building the podcast actually required: the time, relational, and personal cost he didn't anticipate

00:29:07 -- The loss of his sister and the break that followed and how Josh Lewis and Brian Erickson helped him ramp back

00:42:15 -- On asking for help: why leaders carrying everything alone is the wrong answer

00:50:46 -- The loneliness of leadership -- holding the culture and vision when you can't fully unload on anyone around you

01:00:13 -- What 250 episodes have taught him about leaders who build something that outlives the title on the card

Partners and Sponsors Mentioned:

- The Living Room Cincinnati https://hellolivingroom.com/unconventional

- Xavier University Executive MBA Program - https://talentmagnet.com/emba/

- The Colorado Symphony - https://youtu.be/2MCLLIty6kQ?si=A9PYUzDaAKIDmLS3

- Centennial Executive Search: https://www.centennialinc.com

- Talent Magnet Institute: https://www.talentmagnet.com

- Connect with Mike Sipple Jr.: https://www.linktr.ee/mikesipplejr

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Season 3, Episode 249

The Father, The Founder, and 50 Years of Unconventional Leadership (feat. Mike Sipple, Sr. & Mike Sipple Jr.)

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Mike Sipple, Sr. walked into a Cincinnati recruiting firm in 1975 with no suit and no plan -- and spent the next 50 years building one of the region's most trusted executive search firms into a multigenerational legacy. This episode answers the question every leader avoids: what does it actually mean to build something that outlasts you?

In this episode:

- Mike Sr. answers the call to lead Centennial after founder Jim Morris's unexpected death in 1980 -- chosen not for experience, but for character and trust

- Why leadership, in his words, has always started with two things: character and trust -- and why that hasn't changed in five decades

- The "4C Recruiting Process®" framework (Character, Culture, Chemistry, Competence) that was born out of a post-9/11 strategic planning session and still defines how Centennial's client's hire today

- How Mike Sr. spent years advising other business owners on succession planning before realizing he had never thought about his own

- The role faith played at every inflection point -- from Jim Morris's death to the support of founding Talent Magnet Institute® to transitioning the keys to his son

- What it looked like to bring Mike Jr. from computer-building intern to company CEO -- and the advisor who first asked, "Have you ever considered Michael as a recruiter?"

- Why legacy isn't a building, a balance sheet, or a brand -- it's the leaders who say yes before the proof shows up

Timecodes:

00:01 -- Mike Sr. walks into Centennial in 1975 and why he stayed

00:27 -- Jim Morris passes away; Mike Sr. is named president at 30 with no warning

00:30 -- Defining leadership before he had the title: character and trust

00:55 -- The compounding power of 50 years of client relationships

01:04 -- Watching Mike Jr. grow up in the business and the question that changed everything

01:10 -- The Goering Center succession process and why Mike Sr. insisted Mike Jr. choose freely

01:30 -- What "unconventional leadership" actually means to someone who has practiced it for five decades

01:37 -- What legacy means personally to Mike Sipple, Sr.

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