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Matt Lapin is a counsel at Wiley Rein in Washington DC with a long background in international trade law — and in a sector where supply chain complexity, China de-risking, rare earth dependencies, and regulatory actions are reshaping everything, his perspective cuts through in ways the standard industry coverage doesn't reach.

We cover what supply chain actually means for a disruptive emerging technology, why COVID was the first real proof that globalized supply chains were more fragile than anyone admitted, and how the US-China geopolitical conflict is producing both constraint and genuine opportunity for AAM manufacturers and operators.

Matt breaks down the FCC's action against DJI, what the American Drone Dominance executive order signals about how the current administration views eVTOL, and why reading the policy two levels underneath the headline is the most important analytical skill anyone in this sector can develop right now.

His closing advice: understand the rules that are actually in play — not the ones you assumed were in play a year ago — and challenge every first principle your strategy was built on, because uncertainty is no longer the exception. It's the operating condition.

In this episode:

0:00 — The Trade Law Nerd Who Ended Up in Advanced Air Mobility

0:08 — Inside Wiley Rein: How International Trade Law Shapes Emerging Tech

1:08 — What "Supply Chain" Actually Means — And Why Everyone Gets It Wrong

3:22 — COVID's Real Legacy: The First Stress Test of Globalized Supply Chains

4:14 — The China Problem Is a Supply Chain Problem — And It's Not Going Away

5:40 — De-risking Without Decoupling: Why a Clean Break From China Isn't Happening

7:29 — Run Faster or Trip the Other Guy: How Policy Levers Actually Work

9:03 — What's Good for America Needs to Be Good for the Industry — Not the Other Way Around

11:25 — When the Government Decides Your Sector Is a National Security Asset

13:17 — The FCC's DJI Move: How a Regulatory Constraint Created a Domestic Drone Opportunity

15:39 — Rare Earths, Export Controls, and the Negotiation Hiding Inside the Tariff War

17:56 — How to Build Strategy When Uncertainty Is the Operating Condition

20:21 — The Rubik's Cube Mindset: Matt's Two Takeaways for Anyone in This Industry

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What does it actually take to build a zero-emission aircraft that can fly 8,000 miles — transatlantic, fully electrified, cargo-capable — using hydrogen? 

Not a better battery. Not a shinier fuel cell. 

A complete rethink of how the systems relate to each other from the very beginning.

Jared Semik is the founder and CEO of Eternium Aerospace Corporation, a Marine veteran with three combat deployments, and a 20-year aerospace R&D veteran responsible for roughly 20 proprietary technologies including a dual-rotor high-temperature superconductive motor. He's working on a cryogenic Brayton cycle propulsion architecture built on deconstructed NASA research — and a modular hydrogen production system designed to solve the infrastructure problem at the same time as the aircraft problem.

Eternium is still in stealth mode, so Jared can't share everything. But what he does share raises a question that goes well beyond aviation: why do so many innovators walk away from the old system to build something new — and then immediately recreate the same financial models and business structures they were trying to escape? New technology. Same thinking. Different result? Not usually.

This conversation covers hydrogen vs. batteries for aviation range, liquid vs. gaseous hydrogen trade-offs, why modularity fails when you're trying to change a paradigm, why critical mass in deep tech is a sociology problem as much as an engineering one, and what holistic systems thinking actually looks like in practice — in aerospace, in business, and in life.

Chapters

1. Introduction - 00:05 
2. Guest Introduction - 04:33
3. Discussion on Current Projects - 06:38
4. Challenges in Mobility Industry - 18:48
5. Energy Choices - 26:15
6. Current Work and Innovations - 37:22
7. Propulsion System Insights - 39:50
8. Conclusion and Takeaways - 55:36
9. Closing Remarks - 59:50

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Recorded live on the floor of Verticon 2026 — the world's premier rotorcraft event — this episode puts you inside three of the most important conversations happening at the intersection of traditional aviation and Advanced Air Mobility.

— How Bristow Group views eVTOL as an expansion of rotorcraft operations, not a replacement — and what turnkey operational solutions look like in practice with Mandy Nelson of Bristow Group at the Vertical Aerospace booth

— Why Eve Air Mobility's helicopter operator customer base is its strongest competitive differentiator, and how firm funded order conversions are progressing with Megha Bhatia, Chief Commercial Officer of Eve Air Mobility

— The certification pathway differences between FAA Part 23/27, EASA SC-VTOL, and UK CAA frameworks — and why flying over schools and villages in the UK creates safety documentation requirements that are generating invaluable early learning for the entire industry

A note on production quality: Nicolas's video camera and external microphone both failed on the day of recording. This episode was shot on a phone. The audio and video quality is not up to our usual standard and we sincerely apologize for that. 

Chapters

1. Introduction and Overview
   • 0:06 - Nicolas Zart introduces the podcast and shares his background in electric mobility.
2. Vertical's eVTOL Mock-up
   • 2:41 - Introduction to Vertical's eVTOL mock-up and its features.
3. Interview with Mandy from Bristow Group
   • 3:18 - Mandy Nelson discusses Bristow Group's involvement in Advanced Air Mobility.
4. Eve Air Mobility at VertiCon 2026
   • 5:24 - Megha Bhatia introduces E-Bare Mobility and their eVTOL.
5. Safran's Electric Motor and Turbo Generator
   • 9:26 - Discussion on Safran's electric motor and turbo generator.
6. Interview with Eric Barch from Verdeco Arrow
   • 10:26 - Eric Barch talks about VerdeGo Aero's hybrid electric power plant.
7. Robinson's Drone and Autonomous Helicopter
   • 13:11 - Overview of Robinson's drone and autonomous helicopter.
8. Panel Discussion on Advanced Air Mobility
   • 15:16 - Panel discussion with various industry leaders on the future of advanced air mobility.

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Nicolas Zart finally gets David Moseley on the podcast — and it was worth the wait. 

David is a British physicist and automotive engineer who was present at two of the most pivotal moments in EV history: the early development of the Tesla Model S and the creation of the Lucid Air alongside Peter Rawlinson. 

Humble, sharp, and full of hard-won insight, David walks us through what it actually takes to build an electric vehicle from the ground up — from reimagining crumple zones without a combustion engine to rethinking powertrain concepts entirely. 

This is Part 1 of what will be a two-part conversation. Part 2 coming in approximately one month.

Chapters:

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We went back to Augusta, Georgia for the seventh annual AGS Xchange Innovation Forum — one of the most grounded, honest, and genuinely useful one-day events in advanced air mobility. No hype. Just the people actually building this industry, in the same room, talking to each other.

In this episode you'll hear from SkyDrive's Robert Wariyar on the company's Tokyo demonstration flights, their 2028 J-CAB and FAA certification timeline, and why they're focusing on urban missions within a 30-mile radius. Professor Marilyn Smith of Georgia Tech's Vertical Lift Research Center of Excellence on collaboration, economic development, and the summer STEM camps bringing AAM to rural Georgia students. Nadine Auda, co-founder of Rune Aero, on their first-generation cargo test aircraft and why Georgia is becoming a hub for AAM innovation. SISO Air's team showing off NDA-compliant drone platforms including an extraordinary tail-sitting fixed-wing VTOL that covers 1,300 acres per battery. Diane Johnston of Augusta Regional Airport on seven years of building an ecosystem one conversation at a time.

A quick note on audio: our microphone went on strike at the worst possible moment. Some of the sound quality reflects that. Every speaker you hear in this episode will return for a full one-on-one episode with proper production quality — this is the preview.

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Chapters: 

00:00 — Welcome & Introduction 

03:20 — On the floor: drone demonstrations and military UAS 

06:11 — SISO Air: NDA-compliant platforms and the tail-sitting VTOL 

10:30 — SkyDrive's Robert Wariyar: Tokyo demos, urban missions & 2028 certification 

14:44 — Georgia Tech: vertical lift research and rural STEM outreach 

24:58 — Augusta Regional Airport Fire Chief: public safety and AAM risk 

25:41 — Professor Marilyn Smith: collaboration, Georgia Tech & summer camps 29:21 — Diane Johnston, Augusta Regional Airport: seven years of building the room 

31:40 — Nadine Auda, Rune Aero: cargo aviation and the Georgia AAM ecosystem

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Ken Karklin, CEO of Pivotal, returns to The Ways We Move for a Season 2 check-in — and this time he brings Matt Hubert, VP of Quality, along for the conversation. 

A year has passed since our first episode together, and the progress is remarkable.

We dig into Pivotal's latest milestones: 9,000+ total flights, 2,300 human-piloted across 55 trained pilots, and the story of Tim Blum — a customer whose single Black Fly airframe became the first eVTOL ever to log 1,000 flights. Ken shares what the battery data actually shows after 500 cycles, what AS9100D certification means for production readiness, and why Pivotal was the first pure-play AAM company in North America to earn it.

Matt walks us through what quality really means in a startup building aircraft — from supplier development to predictive maintenance using real-time flight telemetry from every aircraft in the field.

We also cover the Helix flight test campaign, the path to pilot production, the man who set up Tesla's Model S line who is now setting up theirs, and Pivotal's expanding footprint in public safety and defense. Ken makes a bold prediction: 2026 will be the year one of their aircraft saves a life.

Plus: why gamers make the best eVTOL pilots, the Oregon customer air traffic controllers nicknamed "The Martian," and what it really takes to build a startup in advanced air mobility.

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Chapters:

• 00:00 Introduction & Season 2 Update
• 02:53 Meet Ken Karklin & Matt Hubert
• 05:24 Pivotal By The Numbers: Flights, Pilots & Milestones
• 08:36 The Helix: Flight Testing & Production Path
• 10:37 Tim Blum: The World's Most-Flown eVTOL Owner
• 15:42 Real-World Use Cases & Customer Stories
• 18:16 Who Learns to Fly Fastest (Hint: Gamers)
• 21:47 Life Inside a Pivotal Startup
• 27:22 Quality, Telemetry & Predictive Maintenance
• 31:19 2026 Predictions: Public Safety & Defense
• 35:34 FAA, Certification & The Road Ahead
• 37:44 Battery Deep-Dive & Charging
• 43:35 What Gets You Out of Bed?
• 47:11 Global Expansion: Europe, NZ & Beyond
• 50:22 Final Takeaways

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As the industry matures into its 2026 reality, the focus has long shifted from visionary concepts to the high-stakes reality of safety, training, and human factors. 

In this episode, host Nicolas Zart welcomes Anna Golendukhina, a researcher at Embry-Riddle’s SEARCH Lab and flight instructor qualifier at Flight Safety International, to bridge the gap between aviation’s legacy and its electric future.

The "Gold Standard" of eVTOL design is converging, but can the pilots keep up? Anna shares exclusive empirical research on how private and commercial pilots perceive the transition into these highly automated, over-actuated aircraft.

Key Insights from this Episode:

• The Skill Transferability Paradox: Why CFIs and veteran pilots view eVTOL maneuvers with a "moderate" sense of transferability—and why 95% of pilots still feel a uniform sense of uncertainty regarding precision urban landings.
• Automation vs. Autonomy: A look at the "Monitoring Dilemma" and why more experienced pilots are actually more enthusiastic about higher levels of automation as a safety net.
• The "Physics Trap": How pilots must adapt to aircraft that function as a "third thing"—a hybrid of fixed-wing efficiency and VTOL hovering capabilities without traditional rudder controls.
• Training Gaps: Identifying the specific deliberate training required to move pilots from traditional cockpits to the high-density UAM corridors of the near future.

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/psJzQbBObjU

Chapters:

1. Introduction to the Podcast
   0:01 - 0:24 (Take 2)
   Nicolas introduces the podcast and the guest, Anna Golendukhina.
2. Anna's Background and Experience
   0:01 - 0:38 (Take 3)
   Anna shares her professional background and current role.
3. Research and Inspiration
   0:38 - 1:36 (Take 3)
   Anna discusses her research focus and what inspired her to pursue it.
4. Challenges in Advanced Air Mobility
   1:36 - 2:13 (Take 3)
   Discussion on the challenges faced by pilots in transitioning to eVTOL operations.
5. Pilot Training and Skills Transferability
   2:13 - 3:04 (Take 3)
   Insights into pilot training and the transferability of skills to new technologies.
6. Automation in Aviation
   3:04 - 4:10 (Take 3)
   The role of automation in aviation and its impact on pilot responsibilities.
7. Future of eVTOL and Pilot Adaptation
   4:10 - 5:20 (Take 3)
   Discussion on the future of eVTOL and how pilots can adapt to these changes.
8. Anna's Motivation and Philosophy
   5:20 - 6:18 (Take 3)
   Anna shares her personal motivation and philosophical outlook on her work.
9. Closing Thoughts and Future Outlook
   6:18 - 7:15 (Take 3)
   Final thoughts on the future of advanced air mobility and the role of pilots.
10. Farewell and Gratitude
    7:15 - 8:00 (Take 3)
    Nicolas and Anna express gratitude and share closing remarks.

Whether you are a fixed-wing veteran or a rotorcraft specialist, this episode is a "Summary for Professionals" on the human architecture required to make AAM a reality.

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Join us as we explore the future of logistics with Dave Merrill, co-founder of Elroy Air. 

Discover how Elroy Air is revolutionizing cargo delivery with hybrid electric drones capable of 300-mile missions. 

Learn about their strategic pivot from passenger eVTOLs to cargo drones, and how their dual-use approach is transforming military and commercial logistics. 

Dave shares insights into the development of the Chaparral drone and the importance of pragmatic engineering in achieving real-world solutions. 

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the next wave of autonomous delivery and the impact of innovative technology on global logistics. 

Time-Stamped Chapters 

0:00 - 0:57: Nicolas Zart introduces the podcast and its achievements.

0:57 - 1:22: Introduction of Dave Merrill and Elroy Air.

1:22 - 2:20: Discussion on Elroy Air's pivot from passenger eVTOL to cargo drones.

2:20 - 3:15: The pragmatic approach and human motivation behind Elroy Air's technology.

3:15 - 5:00: Dave Merrill shares his background and the early days of Elroy Air.

5:00 - 10:00: Discussion on the pivot to cargo logistics and the dual-use strategy.

10:00 - 15:00: Insights into customer feedback and the decision to focus on cargo drones.

15:00 - 20:00: Development of the hybrid propulsion system and its advantages.

20:00 - 25:00: Challenges in regulatory pathways and market entry strategies.

25:00 - 30:00: Dave Merrill discusses his transition from CEO and future plans for Elroy Air.

30:00 - 35:00: Discussion on international markets and strategic partnerships.

35:00 - 40:00: The impact of technology on logistics and future outlook.

40:00 - 45:00: Dave Merrill shares personal insights and motivations.

45:00 - 54:00: Final thoughts and closing remarks.Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/TTn55ejcezI

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Nicolas Zart shares his 35-year mobility playbook: Why strategic communication trumps marketing in AAM success.

Key insights:
- Internal alignment before external pitches
- Authentic storytelling for regulators/investors
- Culture's impact on eVTOL/vertiport growth
- Case studies: Hype failures vs. trust-builders (Beta, NVIDIA)

Timestamps:
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03:45 Internal culture foundation  
12:46 Startup failure analysis
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25:50 Trust-building framework
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Most companies treat infrastructure as an afterthought in Advanced Air Mobility. Not Bristow Group.

In this essential episode, Bristow Group EVP David Stepanek FRAeS reveals how one of the world's largest helicopter operators is pragmatically leading the AAM revolution by leveraging what already exists: airports, proven safety cultures, and resilient supply chains.

Imagine turning current airports into multi-asset hubs capable of supporting hybrid, battery, or hydrogen-powered aircraft with minimal new infrastructure, then scaling these solutions worldwide with a company that has a proven track record. That's exactly what Bristow is doing.

🎯 WHAT YOU'LL DISCOVER:

David shares how Bristow's decades of experience in offshore energy, search and rescue, and rugged logistics uniquely position them at the forefront of the AAM revolution. You'll learn why infrastructure costs, energy generation, and safety culture are the three pillars shaping the future of urban air mobility.

We break down:

✈️ How existing airports and vertiports can adapt to support multi-vertical aircraft with modular, scalable infrastructure

✈️ The role of hybrid-electric and hydrogen propulsion in reducing operating costs and expanding market reach

✈️ The importance of proven safety cultures and industry-wide collaboration, inspired by offshore safety organizations

✈️ Energy challenges and innovative solutions, including ammonia and hydrogen, that will power next-generation aircraft

✈️ Why the business case is finally aligning for widespread deployment, from regional cargo to urban air taxis

💡 WHY THIS EPISODE MATTERS:
The transition to advanced mobility isn't just about new aircraft—it's about transforming our entire infrastructure, energy systems, and safety culture to make flying accessible, affordable, and safe for everyone.

If you're passionate about the future of transportation, technology, and scalable solutions—not just theories—this conversation provides pragmatic insights grounded in decades of real-world experience.

Perfect for industry innovators, strategic investors, regulators, and anyone eager to understand how existing assets and smart planning will unlock the skies of tomorrow.

Bristow's leadership proves that you don't need to reinvent the wheel—just optimize what's already there, with a clear, pragmatic vision.

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