This conversation with Judy Njogu-Mokaya, Founder of Vunapay in Kenya, brings us on a journey on how she remained true to her Christian values when she studied in the US, returned to Kenya to work for multinationals and large enterprises, and finally setting up this social enterprise that helps smallholder farmers. Judy believes that her relationship with Jesus, translated to strong relationships with people around her, which enabled her to build trusted relationships. We broke down how to follow through with decision making in the will of God and how to overcome frustration when systems and institutions are slow.