In this conversation, Deepa Tharmaraj interviews Judy Njogu-Mokaya, Founder of Vunapay in Kenya, an inspiring role model, who moved from one phase of her life to the next staying true to her Christian values as her north star. Studying in the US, then returning to work in large enterprises in Kenya and then setting up Vunapay, she credits it to her relationship with Jesus, as a stepping stone to her relationship with the people around her, which helped with making the right decisions and overcoming frustrations amidst systems and institutions outside her control.