The West of Perfection Podcast

By West of Perfection

Most leadership development treats people like problems to be solved. West of Perfection believes that growth starts from the inside out — with the person, not the performance. Join Erin Van de Voorde... more

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September 03, 2026Orthodontists: West Has Been Keeping a Secret | Ep. 18
Erin and Mary Katherine have been secretly working on something for months and are finally ready to share! On September 16th, they will launch their book, Beyond the Brackets: Leadership Development for Orthodontists. In today’s episode, they dig into why they wrote this book and their passion behind coaching orthodontists to build the skillset and the mindset needed to lead their people. Packed with real client stories (including one doctor's "easy button" breakthrough after years of struggle), Beyond the Brackets is a must-read for any practice owner ready to stop white knuckling their way through leading their people and love their work again.
Chapters
0:00 — We’ve been keeping a secret!
0:18 — How we started working with orthodontists
0:39 — The overwhelming stress in the orthodontic industry
5:11 — West of Perfection’s new book, Beyond the Brackets: Leadership Development for Orthodontists
5:50 — Why information alone won't transform your leadership
7:50 — The trap of trying to "DIY" your leadership growth: why even Michael Phelps has a coach
9:05 — What West of Perfection does differently
11:10 — Why your motivation has to grow evolve as your practice grows
14:36 — Client story: finding the "easy button"
15:54 — Why this process actually works
16:26 — The real skill nobody teaches: managing your mind
18:07 — Where to find the book and connect with Erin and MK
What We Cover
Why elite performance in orthodontics doesn't equal elite leadership — and why that gap is silently draining doctors and their teams
The overwhelming news: Erin and MK's debut book, Beyond the Brackets: Leadership Development for Orthodontists, launching 9/16 and up for preorder now on Amazon
The critical difference between having information and actually transforming as a leader
Why "figuring it out yourself" almost never works — and why even top performers need a coach
How unmanaged interior thoughts and emotions leak into every leadership decision you make
What West of Perfection does differently: rewiring how leaders think, not just adding more tactics
Real revenue impact — clients report an 18–33% increase in bottom-line profit
How motivation must shift as a practice scales, from production-focused to legacy-focused
A powerful client story about finally hitting their "easy button" after years of feeling stuck
Why managing your mind is the most overlooked (and most powerful) leadership skill in leadership
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to mark your calendars for the launch of Beyond the Brackets: Leadership Development for Orthodontists on September 16th!
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Connect with Erin and MK at West of Perfection:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
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20min
August 27, 2026Passive Aggression Is Destroying Your Culture | Organizational Culture Series | Ep. 17
Passive aggression doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's the final symptom of every other culture failure this series has covered: unclear expectations, unsafe environments, avoided hard conversations, and broken upward communication. In this episode, Mary Katherine Wathen and Erin Van de Voorde unpack why passive aggression is rooted in resentment (not personality), share eye-opening workplace statistics, and give leaders a concrete playbook for confronting it without triggering defensiveness. They close out this series with a two-part challenge to help you spot and fix this pattern in your own organization.
0:00 — Introduction: the capstone topic of the series
0:57 — The statistics: how widespread passive aggression really is
2:49 — What passive aggression looks like on the ground
5:17 — Where it comes from: the WWII origin of the term
7:40 — Why it's so hard to address as a leader
10:49 — Why it's contagious across a culture
13:10 — Solutions: addressing patterns, not instances
17:32 — Giving people a genuine exit ramp
19:43 — Setting and reinforcing the standard
22:31 — When it becomes a performance conversation
23:15 — Series wrap-up: audit yourself first
25:11 — This week's two-part challenge
What We Cover
Why passive aggression is a symptom, not a personality type and the resentment underneath it
Startling stats: 69% of Americans see passive aggression as a workplace problem; 83% report passive-aggressive emails
Real examples: "I'm fine," fake agreement, eye rolls, sarcasm, and the silent treatment
The WWII military origin of the term "passive aggression"
Why healthy conflict is rare and how leaders can create space for it
Three reasons passive aggression is so hard to confront (deniability, feeling like "the aggressive one," and its contagious nature)
Concrete leadership scripts: addressing the pattern (not the instance), describing behavior instead of intent, offering a genuine "exit ramp," and reinforcing standards
When continued passive aggression needs to become a performance conversation
Tying the whole series together: clarity, safety, hard conversations, and upward communication
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is twofold:
Look outward: Observe your team and culture. What data can you gather about where passive aggression is showing up, and what do you think is driving it?
Look inward: Examine your own communication. Are you being direct and healthy, or are you modeling the very behaviors (biting jokes, silent treatment, "per my last email") that you want to eliminate?
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Connect with Erin and MK at West of Perfection:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Business Leaders - Sign Up for Beyond the Boardroom here!
West’s website
Instagram
LinkedIn
Work with West
...more
28min
August 20, 2026How to Manage Up | Organizational Culture Series | Ep. 16
In the third installment of the Organizational Culture Series, Erin Van de Voorde and Mary Katherine Wathen tackle the often-misunderstood skill of managing up. Backed by striking statistics, they unpack why so many employees stay silent, how leaders unintentionally shut down feedback, and what healthy two-way communication looks like. Packed with illuminating stories — ranging from a CEO who spent six months walking the floors to a sales rep who mastered the art of wasting time — this episode offers practical ways to build trust and psychological safety in both directions.
0:00 – Introduction and the silence statistics
1:24 – Why meaningless meetings and unheard feedback erode trust
3:43 – Reframing managing up: not manipulation, but communication
5:31 – A CEO's example of listening from the ground up
8:11 – Managing up as relationship, not perception management
11:36 – Story time: wasting time as a form of "managing up"
17:02 – When managing up fails: silence, saved-up grievances, and mind-reading
19:44 – Solutions: bringing your best thinking, not just problems
24:23 – Rapid fire for leaders: building a culture where people speak up
32:30 – The challenge of the week and how to reach the show
What we cover:
The real cost of silence at work — including the statistic that only 16% of employees find conversations with their manager meaningful
Why "managing up" gets mistaken for manipulation or political maneuvering
How relationships (not hierarchy) should drive the flow of information up and down an organization
A personal story about disengaging from inauthentic, scripted sales processes
The most common ways managing up fails: dumping problems without solutions, waiting to be asked, staying silent, saving grievances for performance reviews, and letting communication go sideways into gossip
Concrete solutions for employees: bring your best thinking (not just problems), say what you need out loud, and learn how your leader prefers to receive information
Concrete solutions for leaders: explicitly invite feedback, prove you mean it when someone brings you something hard, ask specific (not vague) questions, and always close the loop
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is twofold:
For yourself: Identify one thing you need from someone above you that you've never asked for. Prepare your thinking, then go have that conversation.
For those you manage: Ask one person on your team, "What's one thing I'm doing that's making your job harder?" or "What obstacle can I remove for you?"
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Connect with Erin and MK at West of Perfection:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Business Leaders - Sign Up for Beyond the Boardroom here!
West’s website
Instagram
LinkedIn
Work with West
...more
32min
August 13, 2026What Toxic Communication Is Costing Your Team | Organizational Culture Series | Ep. 15
The passive-aggressive Teams chat among your employees is costing your company real money. In the second installment of their Organizational Culture series, Erin Van de Voorde and Mary Katherine Wathen expose the six sneaky communication habits, from the silent treatment to gossiping "as a bonding activity", that quietly wreck team trust long before anyone admits there's a problem. With eye-opening stats on what toxic communication actually costs companies and a simple three-question test to catch yourself before you avoid the necessary but hard conversation, this episode is a wake-up call for anyone who's ever struggled to communicate well.
0:00 Intro and West Moment
1:11 Introducing today's topic: toxic communication
2:27 Case study: a business owner's team caught in a messaging spiral
8:27 Pattern 1: Triangulation
9:52 Pattern 2: Weaponized silence
12:03 Pattern 3: Surface-level nice
13:02 Pattern 4: Gossip as currency
16:29 Pattern 5: Vague feedback
18:12 Pattern 6: Passive-aggressive communication
18:45 Recap of all six patterns
20:27 The real cost of toxic communication, by the numbers
23:51 A three-question framework for healthier communication
24:39 This week's challenge
What We Cover
Why avoiding hard conversations leads teams into toxic communication habits, even when no one intends it
The six patterns of toxic communication: triangulation, weaponized silence, surface-level nice, gossip as currency, vague feedback, and passive-aggressiveness
Why written communication on teams is especially prone to misinterpretation,
Real statistics on what poor communication costs organizations in turnover, productivity, and trust
A simple three-question framework to help you speak more directly and with more courage
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to pick one of the three questions from this week's framework, "Am I saying this to the right person?", "Am I being clear or staying in my comfort zone?", or "What is the cost of my silence?", and put it into practice this week.
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Connect With West:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Business Leaders - Sign Up for Beyond the Boardroom here!
West’s website: ⁠https://www.Westofperfection.com⁠
Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/westofperfection/⁠
LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/west-of-perfection/⁠
Work with us: ⁠https://www.westofperfection.com/services⁠
...more
27min
August 06, 2026The Entitlement Problem | Organizational Culture Series | Ep. 14
Mary Katherine Wathen and Erin Van de Voorde kick off a new series on organizational culture by unpacking the data behind disengagement and the rise of an "entitlement culture" in today's workforce. They dig into why perks or pay don’t drive engagement, why treating symptoms instead of root causes backfires, and how leaders can rebuild clarity, standards, and trust without falling into the trap of over-giving.
Chapters
0:00 — Organizational Culture Series Intro & West Moment on imposter syndrome
0:49 — The state of workplace engagement (the stats)
3:01 — Common complaints leaders bring to coaching
4:35 — Why Band-Aid fixes (like chasing "better people") don't work
6:41 — Defining the entitlement problem
11:20 — Is this really a "generational" issue?
19:31 — Client example: the leader who over-gave gifts
24:56 — Solutions: clarity, standards, and hard conversations
27:38 — Challenge of the week & closing
What We Cover
Why 70% of team engagement variance traces back to the manager (Gallup)
Global engagement dropped to 20% in 2025 — the lowest since 2020, costing an estimated $10 trillion in lost productivity
Manager engagement fell from 27% to 22% in one year, the steepest single-year drop on record
Only 47% of employees strongly agree they know what's expected of them at work (down from 56%)
The most common culture complaints leaders bring to coaching: repeating themselves, lack of ownership, feedback treated as an "emotional event," title-and-money-without-responsibility, and "I'm the only one who cares"
Why hiring your way out of a bad culture is expensive and doesn't work
Breaking down "entitlement culture": unrealistic promotion timelines, feedback received as attack, negotiable standards, and confusing boundaries with excuses
Why blaming "generational" problems oversimplifies the real issue — and what actually shaped today's workforce (job security, pension loss, corporate loyalty erosion)
A real client story: how over-gifting created entitlement instead of loyalty
Practical solutions: communicating expectations 5-7 times, not avoiding hard conversations, and tying rewards to real achievement
Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to identify the one behavior on your team that frustrates you most, ask yourself if you have ever clearly articulated it as a problem, then bring it up directly and have the hard conversation.
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Connect With West:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Business Leaders - Sign Up for Beyond the Boardroom here!
West’s website: ⁠https://www.Westofperfection.com⁠
Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/westofperfection/⁠
LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/west-of-perfection/⁠
Work with us: ⁠https://www.westofperfection.com/services⁠
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30min
July 30, 2026How to Overcome Imposter Syndrome | Ep. 13
Confidence: you’re either born with it or you’re not. This week’s episode proves why this belief is totally wrong. Erin and Mary Katherine explore just how deeply imposter syndrome permeates today’s workforce and how leaders at every stage, from emerging careers to the C-suite, can build the confidence needed to overcome it. Instead of settling for confidence that depends on the praise or complements of others, today’s episode will enable you to begin the journey of building internal confidence that’s far stronger than what you might be used to.

0:00 – Welcome & West Moment
1:01 – Topic intro
2:46 – Confidence as a byproduct
4:05 – Imposter syndrome as the leader
6:31 – Important stats around imposter syndrome
9:35 – Internal vs external confidence
15:13 – West’s framework for overcoming imposter syndrome: Courage → Competence → Confidence
23:15 – Client story: trading in job hopping for authentic confidence
25:27 – Challenge of the week

What we cover:
Imposter Syndrome: where it comes from, how it shows up, and how to overcome it
Important stats around imposter syndrome: 70-92% of people experience imposter syndrome; 71% of US CEOs report imposter syndrome; 65% of senior level leaders report experiencing imposter syndrome while only 33% of early career professionals report experiencing it; 44% of women and 49% of men report experiencing it
The difference between internal and external confidence
How competence and confidence are closely related, but not the same thing
A 3 Part Framework to build your confidence in the office and beyond
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to pick an area of your life that you want to grow in confidence and make one act of courage towards that goal this week.
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Connect With West:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Business Leaders - Sign Up for Beyond the Boardroom here!
West’s website: ⁠https://www.Westofperfection.com⁠
Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/westofperfection/⁠
LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/west-of-perfection/⁠
Work with us: ⁠https://www.westofperfection.com/services⁠
...more
28min
July 23, 2026Patterns of Bad Leadership | Ep. 12
We’ve all worked for bad leaders, but it’s an issue that runs deeper than you might think. It’s an integrity problem with real, costly consequences. This week, Mary Katherine and Erin dig into five recognizable patterns of bad leadership that erode trust, damage culture, and drive good people out the door. From favoritism and broken promises to loyalty used as a control tactic, this episode is dedicated to everyone currently navigating a tough boss or toxic workplace culture — and to leaders willing to take an honest look in the mirror.
0:17 — Welcome & episode dedication
1:49 — Bad leadership as an integrity problem
3:19 — Culture erosion and rebuilding trust
4:26 — Pattern #1: Different rules for different people
8:38 — Pattern #2: Leaders exempting themselves from the rules
11:37 — Pattern #3: Broken promises (promotions, raises, comp time)
14:35 — Pattern #4: Controlling people through loyalty
19:25 — Pattern #5: The good old boys club gone bad
22:41 — Challenge of the week & closing thoughts
What We Cover
Why bad leadership is fundamentally an integrity issue, not just an inconvenience
How quickly culture erodes without intentional leadership — and how long it takes to rebuild
Pattern #1: Different rules for different people (favoritism)
Pattern #2: Leaders and executives exempting themselves from the rules
Pattern #3: Making promises you don't keep (promotions, raises, comp time)
Pattern #4: Controlling people through loyalty
Pattern #5: The good old boys club gone bad
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to be honest with yourself: are you displaying any patterns of bad leadership?
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Connect With West:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Business Leaders - Sign Up for Beyond the Boardroom here!
West’s website: ⁠https://www.Westofperfection.com⁠
Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/westofperfection/⁠
LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/west-of-perfection/⁠
Work with us: ⁠https://www.westofperfection.com/services⁠
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25min
July 16, 2026The Leadership Decision Bottleneck | Ep. 11
In today’s episode, Erin and MK describe how bottlenecks create decision fatigue, reduce collective brainpower, and build a dependent culture. The opposite extreme—over-delegation or abdication—can also hide critical issues. Stories include an unreported outage that threatened payroll, an interrupted client meeting to fix a broken soap dispenser, and an employee unable to commit to buying a chair for nine months. The hosts then explain 4 skills you need to master so that you can move past the leadership decision bottleneck.

0:00 – Welcome & West Moment
1:01 – The Decision Bottleneck
5:13 – Real Stories: Two Extremes
9:46 – Skill 1: Delegation
12:52 – Skill 2: Training Your Team
15:12 – Skill 3: Clarifying Expectations
19:10 – Skill 4: Building Communication Rhythms
21:56 – Challenge of the Week

What we cover:
The Decision Bottleneck — Why the skills that get you promoted can quietly stall your organization
Real Stories: Two Extremes — A payroll crisis from being too hands-off, and a soap-dispenser meltdown from being too hands-on
Skill 1: Delegation — Why delegation isn't a personality trait, and how to build trust incrementally
Skill 2: Training Your Team — Reframing training as an investment, not a cost, of your time
Skill 3: Clarifying Expectations — Why you have to repeat yourself (a lot) for expectations to stick
Skill 4: Building Communication Rhythms — Creating predictable channels so your team isn't interrupting you constantly
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at ‪(615) 864-0359‬ to ask a question or share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to identify one task currently on your plate and delegate it to a team member this week.
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Connect With West:
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Orthodontists - Sign up for Beyond the Brackets here!
Free, Weekly Leadership Insights for Business Leaders - Sign Up for Beyond the Boardroom here!
West’s website: ⁠https://www.Westofperfection.com⁠
Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/westofperfection/⁠
LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/west-of-perfection/⁠
Work with us: ⁠https://www.westofperfection.com/services⁠
...more
23min
July 09, 2026The Leadership Summit You Can’t Miss | Ep. 10
In this episode of the West of Perfection podcast, hosts Erin Van de Voorde and Mary Katherine Wathen pull back the curtain on their annual Elevate the Conversation Leadership Summit — why they created it, what makes it different from typical conferences, and who's speaking at this year's event on October 20th in Lexington, Kentucky.
0:20 — Welcome back & episode intro
1:10 — The three problems that led to creating the Summit
3:46 — Why there are no keynotes
5:33 — Table discussions explained
6:36 — The networking ROI
7:37 — New this year: breakout rooms
10:34 — 2026 speakers
15:41 — Who should attend
16:49 — Challenge of the week & closing
What we cover:
Origin story: The Summit was born from three core problems leaders face — loneliness at the top, lack of accessible A-list speakers in the region, and too many passive, inspiration-only events without real formation.
Event designed around "Less talking at, more talking with": No keynotes — instead, live on-stage conversations between high-level leaders on deep topics. Table discussions where speakers sit with attendees after each session to make the experience active, not passive. Breakout rooms — attendees pick two deep-dive sessions (12–40 person rooms) on topics like team building, frontline leadership, and work-life capacity.
Speaker lineup: Jay Bilas (ESPN, Duke basketball), Pat Lencioni (bestselling author, The Five Dysfunctions of a Team), Jimmy Kirchdorfer (ISCO CEO, Valhalla Golf Club co-owner, 2024 PGA Championship chair), Coach Craig Skinner (UK volleyball, national championship-winning coach), General Maryanne Miller (retired USAF four star general who commanded 100,000+ people, managed a $15B operation), and Andreas Widmer (CUA, former Swiss Guard, entrepreneurship expert)
ROI stories: One company hired four people they met at a past Summit; another closed a six-figure deal with a connection made there
Who should attend: Founders, owners, entrepreneurs, C-suite executives, leadership teams
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Tickets are limited, so visit the website to reserve your ticket or company’s table today!
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at (615) 864 0359 to share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to reflect on how are you growing yourself as a leader? What are you doing to pause, fill your own cup, and invest in your own development — rather than only pouring into others?
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Connect With West:
West’s website: https://www.Westofperfection.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/westofperfection/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/west-of-perfection/
Work with us: https://www.westofperfection.com/services
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18min
July 02, 2026Are You Abdicating Your Leadership? Ep. 9
MK and Erin unpack the "abdication of leadership" and share a real coaching story of how one leader learned to take responsibility, set boundaries, and lead with humility instead of control.
0:00 — Intro
0:16 — West Moment: rediscovering art and the Renaissance
1:13 — First season, listener Q&A line, and today's topic: abdication of leadership
2:45 — Two patterns of abdication: avoidance vs. self-promotion
11:57 — Why vulnerability at the top drives culture
18:05 — The real question: "What is my responsibility here?"
20:15 — How to work for an avoidant or controlling leader?
21:41 — Coaching story: moving from anger to humility and courage
24:51 — The whole-person approach: not putting all fulfillment in one place
26:05 — Wrap-up and challenge of the week
What we cover:
The two faces of abdicated leadership: straight-up avoidance (staying quiet, deferring, tolerating subpar behavior) and self-promotion (needing to always be right, chasing power/importance instead of serving the team).
Leading yourself first: before diagnosing "that leader's" problems, the first move is always looking in the mirror. The fastest way to build trust and culture is for the leader to model vulnerability first ("I take responsibility," "what can I do better?")
Recommendation — rupture and repair: conflict and misunderstanding are normal in every relationship; what matters is the repair (owning mistakes, asking forgiveness, starting again)
Recommendation — for employees under a difficult leader: you can't control your boss, but you can control how you show up — take responsibility for your own part without absorbing responsibility that belongs to someone else, and build a "whole-person" identity so work isn't your only source of fulfillment.
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Leave us a voicemail or send us a text at (615) 864 0359 to share your West Moment! This week's challenge is to ask, where can you set your ego aside, step into the middle ground, and look honestly in the mirror to become a healthier, more responsible leader — one who does not avoide or self-promote?
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Connect With West:
West’s website: https://www.Westofperfection.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/westofperfection/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/west-of-perfection/
Work with us: https://www.westofperfection.com/services
...more
27min

FAQs about The West of Perfection Podcast:

How many episodes does The West of Perfection Podcast have?

The podcast currently has 18 episodes available.