Welcome to the Thursday Wire! This week Stella speaks to Willow Duffy, CEO of Safeguarding Children about calls for mandatory reporting of abuse across all agencies responsible for the care of tamariki. Stella also chats to Justin Hodgkiss, Co-Director of the Macdiarmid institute about the organisation’s work uncovering how melanin actually functions to protect our skin against UV. Joe speaks to Dr Nic Rawlence from the Paleogenetics Lab At UoO about the role of deer in Aotearoa’s ecosystems, and Stella chats to Angela Moon Jones from The Butterfly Discovery Project about the mystery of Aotearoa’s copper butterfly. Stella speaks to Richard Wagstaff, President of The New Zealand Council Of Trade Unions about a win for Uber drivers in the employment court and Robert MacCulloch, from the University of Auckland’s business school, expert on macroeconomics, about Kiwibank’s recent comments on inflation.