On Dear Science with AUT’s Marcus Jones we talk about the creation of organisms, the official physical kilogram, and Measles.

We look at some parts of Lillian's interview with rapper, historian and author, Akala, who was in Auckland for the Writer's Festival. They touch on bias, whiteness, schooling, american pop culture and the Christchurch terror attacks.

And, Sherry follows up on her ongoing report from her trip to Indonesia, and talks to Resa Boenard, the founder of BGBJ on how she runs her school which is literally on the landfill.