Niko and Rudy sit down with Jason Moore, author of Capitalism in the Web of Life and The Capitalocene (Part I, II) for a discussion on his approach to world-ecology including the  concepts of Capitalism as a way of organizing nature and of the Web of  Life. We discuss how Capitalism has organized nature since its inception  and why it is necessary to begin a periodization of capitalism's effects on nature in the colonization of the Atlantic Islands, the debates around Metabolic rift/shift, the role of climate changes in history and what that can teach us for today's  struggles, the concept of the four Cheaps and appropriation of unpaid labor, internationalism, the pitfalls of 70s ecology, the Green New  Deal, how scientists should relate to radical politics and how to  adequately incorporate the concept of Capitalism as a method for  organizing Nature in our politics.