In 2019, Inductive Automation's Colby Clegg, Don Pearson, and Kevin McClusky sat down with Zack at IA's Folsom headquarters and predicted nearly everything that's now dominating the industrial software conversation: AI accountability, the open-systems revolution, algorithm liability in closed-loop control, and the mobile-first plant floor.
Nobody had names for any of it yet. They just had precision.
This episode is a curated remaster of those three conversations — nearly two hours of 2019 archive compressed into 38 minutes of what now reads as evidence rather than prediction.
In this episode:
- Why unlimited licensing wasn't just a pricing decision — it was a prerequisite for digital transformation
- The open/closed architecture cycle and why we're back in the loosely-coupled phase
- How AI adoption in manufacturing follows the self-driving car trajectory
- Why the question for closed-loop AI isn't "why did the algorithm decide that" — it's "who chose the training data"
- The Gartner hype trough, the Exchange, and what's actually coming in the next 2-3 years
Featuring Colby Clegg, Don Pearson, and Kevin McClusky of Inductive Automation. Recorded remotely with Colby Clegg (Ep. 90) and in October 2019, Folsom, CA. with Don & Kevin. (Ep. 149 & 150) Remastered in 2026.
Timestamps:
00:00 — Cold Open: The Moments That Still Land
02:08 — Open vs. Closed: The Cycle That Never Ends
05:24 — How Ignition Started: Steve's Idea in 2003
07:00 — OT/IT Convergence and the Technology Bridge
09:19 — Sparkplug, MQTT, and the Eclipse Foundation
11:39 — Open Source: Why 90% of Your Idea Isn't Special
12:08 — AI in Manufacturing: Where It's Safe to Start
13:23 — Closed-Loop AI and the Liability No One Wants
18:05 — The Self-Driving Car Threshold for Industrial AI
19:35 — Gartner Hype Cycle: "We're Squarely in the Trough"
20:04 — The 10-Year-Old Who Doesn't Know What Wikipedia Is
21:13 — Mission-Driven Companies vs. Quarterly Return Machines
24:22 — Ignition's Final Mile Secret Sauce
25:00 — Mobile: The Technology You Should Already Have
28:18 — The Ignition Exchange and Ecosystem Velocity
31:54 — Closing: "If the Body Is Automation, AI Is the Brain"
Guests:
Colby Clegg · https://www.linkedin.com/in/colby-clegg-860460a/
Don Pearson · https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-b-pearson/ Kevin McClusky · https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinmcclusky/
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