The ZeroIndent Review

The finale of season 2 is here. Questions of sacrifice, murder, morality and redemption are raised, poised, and paused to service The Defenders. David is steeped in notions of what makes Elektra a moveable character and Pat enjoys our last slice of goodness before The Defenders.

Perhaps the most compelling point of interest is the mystery of The Hand and the Blacksky, and how The Defenders undercuts a compelling conclusion.

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Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

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Our best episode yet. Of anything. Period. This time the boys scratch at what it means to have an identity and whether you're ever really in the driver's seat. Then delve into love. Forgiveness. Faith. If there was ever an episode to listen to, it's this one.

David puts his own heartbreak into this one while Pat starts to see the Matrix, connecting simple truths to simple tragedies.

Editor's Note: this is my favourite episode so far: the discussion at around 30 min on Frank's world view about love is the most compelling listen for me personally. Also happens to be the episode where we finally figure out David's new mic. What a journey.

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Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

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I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

The show is up late! The boys sink a glass of whisky while breaking down Daredevil's most involved episodes so far. David loves the world building and Pat unravels the key motifs of this season.

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Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

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I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

The story kicks off: Matt and Karen get romantic, and Elektra is here to mess up everyone's day. David loves the structural and genre symmetry and Pat keys into the way flashbacks change the underlying nature of the story.

Editor's Note: this week is the first week with David's mic, we figure it out next episode, promise.

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Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

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I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

This episode the boys are in their feelings big time. David and Pat both agree these two episodes are the best in the entire show, maybe in TV? It's hard to say. At the very least if you ever wanted to feel something, this the podcast for you.

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Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

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I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

Pat can't catch a break and takes us back to basics. This opening is simple, effective and epic. David has clearly just finished Andor and is back on his socialism grind

Editor's note: as Pat outlined, this recording was not ideal. The audio is the best we could make it (it's a wee bit echo-y and lacks base but hey, ain't that life sometimes?)

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Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

All rights reserved ZeroIndent 2024

I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

In a crossover event to be seen to be believed, ZeroIndent and A Method To The Madness punish Michi by watching 2003's Daredevil. David holds court trying to make the film sound good, Pat stares into the void of leather trench coats and Michi suffers through the whole thing.

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(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.

Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

Cover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/

© David McNeill 2023

I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

01:27 - High Level Thoughts

21:03 - Narrative Parallelism

26:18 - The Zack Snyder Bit

29:08 - Character Notes: Sensory Deprivation

31:35 - Mid-Tier Action At Best

33:50 - Sound Design: Texture and World Building

36:59 - Matt Murdock Is An Absolute Dog

40:08 - Matt and Elektra Chemistry

44:20 - Bullseye Is Too Cool?

46:37 - Why Stories Feel Fake

51:11 - Questions of Structure

52:52 - Ben Affleck's Cursed Career

58:47 - Pitching Our Daredevil Show

01:03:50 - Outro

#daredevil #daredevilbornagain #daredevilnetflix

David here - a brief update on our plans now that we have the guidelines for the WAG SAG-AFTRA strike.

Donate to the emergency fund that helps our colleagues pay their rent and eat during these challenging times: https://entertainmentcommunity.org/

Read Vox's excellent coverage of the strikes here: https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/7/13/23793828/sag-aftra-strike-wga-hollywood

We haven't worked out what we'll make in the interim, read out on Youtube if you have ideas.

Otherwise, all we can say for now is fuck the AMPTP, fuck capitalism, and don't watch Daredevil on Disney Plus.

On a personal note, for those who always read the description (I know who you are you little freaks), the response from the general public has been predictably abhorrent. Go figure, right, who are they getting their news from and what's their political agenda. So if you know someone who goes "they're asking for that, that's less than I get paid" then please communicate to that person in your life that they're also getting fucked and the outcome of these strikes may well dictate end stage capitalism's relationship to labour forever.

- your socialist, now and forever, David

This week the boys drink deep from the thematic well as they examine the finale of season 1. Patrick compels us to realise the levers Daredevil pulls that other shows miss while David is once again obsessed by the religious themes.

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(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.

Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

Cover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/

© David McNeill 2023

I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

03:14 - Episode 13 "Daredevil" Discussion

20:52 - Leland 33:34 - Turk! Our boy!

36:00 - Fisk's arrest and monologue

37:37 - Analysing Fisk's "ill intent" speech

52:40 - The law meets reality

59:48 - Final fight analysis

1:07:10 - The show's magic trick

1:11:25 - Codas and how they work

1:17:15 - Season 1 round up

1:23:26 - Looking ahead

1:33:08 - Outro

#daredevil #daredevilbornagain #daredevilnetflix

This time it's all about faith and damnation. Matt struggles with his faith. Karen struggles with damnation. David wonders how Fisk thinks about Fate. Patrick calls attention to how Daredevil inherits genre.

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(Dare)Devil In The Details is a show that explores and dotes on the philosophy and themes of Netflix’s DareDevil, a digression collection brought to you by A Method to The Madness and ZeroIndent.

Daredevil is a story about morality, justice and the concept of self. In immersing ourselves in the attitude and philosophy of Hell’s Kitchen we hope to draw in sharp focus what makes the story so exacting and compelling. Not just to praise the craft of storytelling, but to unpack our own feelings and thoughts about the ideas it raises: faith in a modern world, what we do with the legacy of our inheritance, and, of course, who we are. What does a name mean, claimed and given, and how do they shape us?

This is a careful story and so we will tread carefully. This may mean taking breaks to give ourselves time to process. This may mean taking breaks to deal with life. In the spirit of the show’s ideas, we aim to be considerate and present in our production and discussion. We will speak freely on and off the microphone. As we do the work, it makes us. And as we complete the work, it completes us, so we will not be afraid to unpack challenging concepts. Ultimately, we will enjoy the process to the best of our ability and allow the show to adapt when this may not be possible.

Cover art inspired by A More Civilized Age: https://amorecivilizedage.net/

© David McNeill 2023

I believe all copyrighted content used falls under Fair use as it is used for the purposes of commentary and criticism, and does not represent a market substitute for any of the original works as no original audio is used, and all footage is used with transformative commentary.

00:00 - Intro

06:20 - Episode 11 "The Path of the Righteous" Discussion

24:54 - The angels of your better nature analysis

29:40 - Cartoons and inheriting a genre

35:46 - Wesley and Karen

45:27 - Episode 12 "The Ones We Leave Behind" Discussion

1:01:00 - What makes change in stories work

1:16:00 - Outro

1:29:09 - Bonus: Star Wars fans are problematic

#daredevil #daredevilbornagain #daredevilnetflix