In this episode, Joel sits down with Leslie Jordan who used to be the other half of the incredibly impactful worship duo, All Sons & Daughters. Leslie has since switched gears and started to aid songwriters through her non-profit "The Fold" as well as through her role in Integrity Music. Leslie and Joel talk about worship leading after being a successful artist, why the music industry still feels icky, and how to create a positive songwriting experience, among other things! 



Link to Leslie’s Website: https://www.lesliejordanmusic.com/

In this episode, Joel sits down with the man behind Forgotten Voyage, Scott Gayer, to talk about why he got into re-tuning hymns, why hymns seem to always be in the conversation for the best songs for congregational worship, what drives him as he continues to write unique and compelling melodies to old and lesser-known hymns, and what's next for him and forgotten voyage. 

In this solo episode, Joel discusses wrestling with angst and impatience as a creative and entrepreneur-minded person, what the pros and cons are of being out of occupational ministry, and the act of finding your mantra (your worldview and your self-view combined).


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In this episode, Joel chats with meme-lord, musician, podcaster, and pastor, Jonathan Wright. They discuss topics ranging from, pastoring a small country church, being Instagram famous, running meme pages, embarrassing stories from when we were younger, and balancing your faith with fame. 



The outro is "So Real" by Natural State

In this episode, Joel links up with fellow podcaster and host of the Collide Kids Podcast, Christen Clark, to discuss her experience with ministry burnout, why she created her podcast, to begin with, and how she empowers the next generation to think with impact in mind!





The outro is "So Real" by Natural State

In this episode, Joel sits down with acclaimed pianist, Tim Nicholson, who is also the husband of Sandra McCracken. during this episode, Joel and Tim talk about how Sabbaticals aren't a good thing for a Pastor and may actually signal some unhealthy rhythms, how worship music isn't really a genre, and trying to stay healthy! 




The outro is "So Real" by Natural State

In this week's podcast, Joel gets the wonderful chance to talk with Elias Dummer (The City Harmonic) about his history with Deconstruction, what the past few years were like for him as an artist/pastor/business owner, etc., and what motivates him as a content creator and musician now after all these years. 

The outro is "So Real" by Natural State

In this episode, Joel sits down with Critically Acclaimed Guitarist, Zach White, who writes and performs his own music with his wife Maggie when he isn't being the main guitarist for Keith & Kristen Getty. Joel and Zach talk about when it's ok to show more performance in worship, what it's like being married to your bandmate, and why people seem to think that there is a hermeneutic for art in the scriptures. 


The song in the outro is "So Real" by Natural State

In this episode, Joel sits down with Halley and Dell from "Natural State" to talk about their new songs, what seems to be going on with leadership in the church these days, enabling people to have a space to be real and feel through their music, and their single "So Real."


"So Real" by Natural State is the outro for this episode (stream it everywhere)

In this solo pod, Joel discusses how we should respond to mean comments and all types of critique, how that criticism can expose the double lives that we lead, how those double lives exhaust our souls, & what the song "Rising Sun" by All Sons & Daughters does to shine light on all those things.