Therapy was Full Podcast

Leland Holgate grew up under a father from the 75th Ranger Regiment who trained him in Krav Maga and combatives starting at age five — using violent, abusive punishment for ordinary childhood mistakes while presenting a loving family-man image to the outside world. Dustin Hayes and Terrence Davis sit down with Leland to unpack what it meant to survive that childhood, why boot camp felt easier than home, and how a chokehold confrontation at 17 became the turning point that sent him into the Air Force as a C-130 loadmaster. Leland shares his path through Operation Northern Watch, the Kenya embassy bombing response, and Operation Allied Force in Kosovo, and opens up about his complicated relationship with his mother, an Army nurse who couldn't protect him, and the devastating text he received from his father on his own birthday in 2016. This episode covers generational trauma, victim mentality versus true accountability, and what real healing looks like when the wound never fully closes. This episode contains detailed discussion of child abuse and suicide. If you or someone you know is struggling, the Veterans Crisis Line is available 24/7: dial 988, then press 1.

Tammy and Ed join Therapy Was Full to talk about Saddles in Service, a nonprofit using horsemanship to help veterans, active-duty service members, and first responders heal. The organization started after Tammy watched rescued horses help her husband, a retired Navy veteran, work through PTSD, anxiety, and depression — and grew into a structured, year-long program built on horsemanship, mentorship, trail riding, and a capstone experience in Wyoming. Tammy explains how horses mirror a person's energy and body language in real time, giving participants immediate, honest feedback that helps rebuild self-awareness, emotional regulation, and trust. They share the story of a former Army medevac pilot who went from isolated and over-medicated to deeply involved in the ranch community, and discuss a short film — inspired by real veterans in the program — about a veteran considering suicide after losing a friend to suicide, interrupted by the horse he'd bonded with. This episode covers veteran isolation, nontraditional mental health support, equine therapy, and how community can be rebuilt one horse, one relationship, at a time. This episode includes discussion of suicide. If you or someone you know is struggling, the Veterans Crisis Line is available 24/7: dial 988, then press 1.

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Twenty-five years after September 11, 2001, Dustin Hayes and Terrence Davis sit down to reflect on where they were that day and how it quietly rerouted the rest of their lives. Dustin was on duty aboard the USS Nimitz when the second plane hit — the moment the Navy realized the country was under attack and shifted into wartime readiness in real time. That single day became the first link in a chain that led him through multiple deployments, Afghanistan, combat operations alongside special forces, injury, and eventually the end of his Navy career. Terrence was in a high school classroom, trying to comfort a friend who feared her father might have been on one of the hijacked flights. Years later, he joined the Marine Corps, deployed to Iraq, and became a recruiter — a role that put him face to face with the grief and guilt of former recruits watching the Afghanistan withdrawal unfold, some losing friends from their own units in the final days. This episode also honors Terrence's uncle Ralph, a Verizon fiber technician who volunteered at Ground Zero to help clear rubble and restore communications beneath the wreckage. This is a tribute to the lives lost, the first responders, the volunteers, and every service member whose life was shaped by what came after that morning.00:00 Cold Open: 25 Years Later

Tammy and Ed join Therapy Was Full to talk about Saddles in Service, a nonprofit using horsemanship to help veterans, active-duty service members, and first responders heal. The organization started after Tammy watched rescued horses help her husband, a retired Navy veteran, work through PTSD, anxiety, and depression — and grew into a structured, year-long program built on horsemanship, mentorship, trail riding, and a capstone experience in Wyoming. Tammy explains how horses mirror a person's energy and body language in real time, giving participants immediate, honest feedback that helps rebuild self-awareness, emotional regulation, and trust. They share the story of a former Army medevac pilot who went from isolated and over-medicated to deeply involved in the ranch community, and discuss a short film — inspired by real veterans in the program — about a veteran considering suicide after losing a friend to suicide, interrupted by the horse he'd bonded with. This episode covers veteran isolation, nontraditional mental health support, equine therapy, and how community can be rebuilt one horse, one relationship, at a time. This episode includes discussion of suicide. If you or someone you know is struggling, the Veterans Crisis Line is available 24/7: dial 988, then press 1.

This is the conversation that happened before the cameras officially started rolling. In this behind-the-scenes moment from Therapy Was Full, Guy McDermott — VFW commander and founder/co-founder of Warrior House — opens up about a spiritual awakening that reframed how he saw his own role in his marriage and career struggles. He talks candidly about the moment he stopped seeing himself as a victim and started owning the ways his own choices — taking off his wedding ring, spiraling under stress, missing the expectations he'd set for himself — shaped the outcomes he was living with. Unscripted, unpolished, and honest in a way that only happens when the "interview" hasn't technically started yet.

00:00 Cold Open: "I Wasn't the Victim"

01:30 The Church Service That Changed His Perspective

04:00 Owning His Role in His Marriage

07:00 The Wedding Ring Moment

10:00 Not Meeting His Own Expectations

13:00 The Move to California, Made in Anger

16:00 A Panic Attack He Didn't See Coming

19:00 Faith, Prayer & Realizing He Was a Son, Not a Victim

22:00 Top Producer While Falling Apart Inside

25:00 The Role of Community & Church in Healing

28:00 Closing Thoughts Before Recording Begins

www.iconpodcastnet.com Yes, the Marine Corps has a band — and Jedidiah was in it. This episode covers what most people never learn about military music programs, the grind of recruiting duty, and how a divorce derailed 13 years of active duty service and forced a total career reset. Dustin Hayes and Terrence Davis talk with Jedidiah about building Green Hat Entertainment to support local musicians, his work with CASA advocating for foster kids, and why music keeps showing up as the thing that holds people together — from a junior high talent show to a Marine Corps band concert that changed how he saw the world. #marineband #veteran #unsubscribepodcast #comedy #veteranspodcast

"Why are we paying for the dates in the first place?" That question kicks off an hour-plus roundtable with Dustin Hayes, Terrence Davis, Trevor Ahing, and Chris Lorenz on dating standards, covert contracts, and what chivalry actually means today. Trevor breaks down a date gone sideways — a canceled plan, an uninvited friend at dinner, and a text that changed everything — while the group debates financial contribution, communication, and whether the value of men has actually changed or just the standards around them. No scripts, no filters, just four guys talking honestly about a topic everyone has an opinion on.  @treverahing  00:00 Cold Open: "Why Are We Paying for the Dates?" 01:20 Intro & Meet the Panel 02:45 Setting Up the Topic: Dating in This Age 06:00 Trevor's Story: The Girl, the Alignment, the Green Flags 09:00 Date One & Two: Off to a Great Start 11:00 The Energy Flip: "I Love the Idea of a Man Like You" 14:00 The Splatter Paint Date That Became a Pedicure 19:00 Men, Get Your Toes Done: A Hill Worth Dying On 22:00 She Invites a Friend to Dinner Without Asking 26:00 Covert Contracts Explained 30:00 Power Is in the Question: Planning vs. Controlling 36:00 Who Should Pay? Old School vs. New School 44:00 The Value of a Man Has Changed — Or Has It? 52:00 Protection, Provision & What Women Actually Want 1:00:00 Trevor's Wife: The Battery Behind the Businessman 1:08:00 Peter Pan Syndrome & Emotional Investment 1:15:00 Final Thoughts & Where to Find Trevor and Chris

I called my wife and said, I'm not going." Days before the move, Trevor Ahing backed out of relocating to Sacramento — then spent six months in an RV with no running water proving to his wife, and himself, that staying was the right call. Dustin Hayes and Terrence Davis get into real estate hustle, the discipline it took to make 300 dials a day, and how that grind became Marwak — a financial literacy movement built specifically for Marines. This episode covers entrepreneurship, sacrifice, marriage under pressure, and what it actually means to "come home" after service.

"It's okay to feel differently about this holiday." Dustin Hayes and Terrence Davis open Season 2 of Therapy Was Full with a special 4th of July episode reflecting on what Independence Day really feels like for veterans. They cover America's 250-year history, the freedom to move, choose, and build a life most countries never allow, and react to a viral video from creator Ashani M. Fuku claiming white Americans should support Black creators to prove they aren't racist. The hosts push back hard, unpacking gaslighting, tokenism, and what real support actually looks like. A raw, honest conversation for every veteran and warrior grinding it out.

"The minute you step out the culture, you become a number." Chris Lorenz, Navy veteran and co-founder of Armed Forces Division (AFD) and Global Financial Impact (GFI), knows that feeling better than most — one bad step in Guam cost him his knee, his 11-year Navy career, and nearly his sense of purpose. This episode covers military medical retirement, the TAPS class that handed him a stack of papers and said "don't come back," veteran divorce, veteran financial literacy, and how he turned all of it into a veteran nonprofit built on one rule: never take from the people you're supposed to serve. Expect hard truths about military finance, veteran homelessness, TSP mistakes, veteran-owned business red flags, VA disability claims, and why "God knocks twice" became his motto. A must-watch for any active duty service member or veteran navigating military transition, veteran entrepreneurship, or veteran mental health.

00:00 Cold Open: "God Knocks Twice"

00:47 Welcome Back / Dustin's Return 01:24 Meet Chris Lorenz

01:59 11 Years Navy, Guam, and Loving the Culture

03:45 The Injury: Stepping Off the Platform

09:09 Seven Surgeries and Medical Retirement

10:33 Becoming "A Number"

13:44 Fighting the Med Board Decision

14:48 Dustin's Own Near-Suicide Story

15:55 The TAPS Class From Hell

18:10 Quitting the First Civilian Job in 8 Days

21:15 Veteran-Owned ≠ Veteran-Safe

23:20 How GFI/AFD Started

29:38 What Vets Actually Have No Education On: Money

31:04 The "Broke Five" Bit

38:14 The $46K TSP Story (26 Years of Service)

41:12 Retraining the Entrepreneurial Brain

45:09 What AFD Actually Does

52:33 Is There a Shortcut to Wealth?

1:00:21 "We Count Families Helped, Not Dollars"

1:02:31 Where to Find AFD / GFI

1:09:14 Final Message: Don't Harbor the Information