Best-selling author Rod Dreher talks to Chris about his latest book, Living in Wonder: Finding Mystery and Meaning in a Secular Age. Rod explains why we’ve lost the ability to see the transcendent around us and how we can rediscover enchantment. What do UFO’s, demons, and beauty have to do with this? Listen and find out!Show Notes:

• Rod’s new book: Living in Wonder: Finding Mystery and Meaning in a Secular Age
• Rod’s Substack, Rod Dreher’s Diary
• Documentary version of Live Not By Lies on Angel.com
• Chris’s book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read), available to order now!
• Samuel Taylor Coleridge, “Hymn before Sun-rise, in the Vale of Chamouni”; Percy Shelley, “Mont Blanc: Lines Written in the Vale of Chamouni”

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.