What happens when the person responsible for protecting employees becomes the one who needs protection?

In this episode of They Tried It, Lindiwe Davis sits down with longtime HR leader Elizabeth Arnott to discuss toxic workplaces, workplace retaliation, abusive leadership, and what happens when the systems designed to protect employees fail.

After more than 26 years working in human resources, Elizabeth found herself experiencing many of the very workplace issues she had spent her career helping others navigate. From retaliation and power dynamics to psychological safety, nervous system regulation, and workplace trauma, this conversation offers an honest look at what toxic leadership can do and how people can begin to heal.

Lindiwe and Elizabeth discuss:

• How toxic workplace cultures develop

• Why HR often struggles to protect employees

• Power, retaliation, and executive leadership

• Workplace trauma and nervous system regulation

• Psychological safety at work

• Emotional intelligence in leadership

• Workplace bullying and intimidation

• Recognizing toxic bosses and unhealthy environments

• The importance of courage and self-advocacy

• Healing after workplace burnout

Elizabeth also shares her experience leaving a harmful work environment, the lessons she learned about emotional regulation and critical thinking during crisis, and how she is helping others navigate difficult workplaces through her company, Unmanaged.

If you've ever questioned yourself after a difficult workplace experience, felt unsupported by leadership, or wondered whether it was "you" or the environment around you, this episode is for you.

Connect with Elizabeth Arnott:

Website | Substack: Unmanaged | Email: [email protected]

About the Host

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

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Seven-time Emmy Award-winning journalist and former news anchor Andrea Morehead Allen joins They Tried It for a powerful conversation about workplace abuse, racism in corporate media, retaliation, gaslighting, and what it took to walk away after 21 years in television news.

Andrea opens up about the emotional toll of toxic work environments, navigating discrimination as a Black woman in media, surviving breast cancer during workplace turmoil, and why she ultimately filed a federal lawsuit instead of remaining silent. She also shares how therapy, faith, community, and self-trust helped her reclaim her life and purpose.

This episode dives into:

• Workplace abuse and toxic corporate culture
• Racism and discrimination in media organizations
• Gaslighting, retaliation, and career suppression
• Emotional burnout and the impact of stress on health
• Why Black women are often blocked from leadership roles
• The power of truth-telling and advocacy
• Knowing when it’s time to leave a toxic workplace
• Healing, resilience, and reclaiming your voice

Andrea’s story is raw, honest, and deeply important for anyone navigating workplace adversity, corporate politics, discrimination, or emotional exhaustion on the job.

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Instagram: @andreawthr

YouTube: My Silence Is Not For Sale with Andrea Morehead

About the Host

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

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This week on They Tried It, Zara Northover joins Lindiwe Davis for one of the most powerful conversations of the season.

Zara is a Jamaican Olympian, founder of Moving In Faith, former mortgage banking leader, TEDx speaker, and pro se litigant currently representing herself before the Michigan Supreme Court after alleging workplace discrimination and retaliation during her corporate career.

In this episode, Zara shares:

• How she earned a full athletic scholarship through pure audacity and self-belief
• What it took to compete in the 2008 Olympic Games for Jamaica
• The realities of navigating corporate America as a high-performing Black woman
• Workplace retaliation, favoritism, discrimination, and “office pet to office threat”
• Why she refused to sign away her voice with an NDA
• What she’s learned representing herself in court
• How faith, discipline, and courage helped her keep moving forward

This is a conversation about resilience, justice, advocacy, corporate culture, mental toughness, and choosing yourself, even when the system hopes you won’t.

If you’ve ever dealt with workplace discrimination, retaliation, toxic leadership, burnout, HR issues, or the pressure to stay silent, this episode is for you.

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Instagram: @zaranorthover LinkedIn: Zara Northover, OLY

About the Host

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

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What do you do when your boss is trying to push you out, and nobody at work will stop it?

In this episode of They Tried It, host Lindiwe Davis sits down with Peggy Beane, a longtime media and marketing executive whose career has spanned publishing, advertising, integrated marketing, and DEI consulting. From Black Enterprise, Jet, Ebony, Essence, and American Legacy to Nickelodeon and beyond, Peggy has spent decades learning how to navigate corporate America while staying grounded in who she is.

At the center of this conversation is a difficult experience with a workplace bully: a boss whose aggression, meanness, and hostility escalated over time into something unmistakably targeted. Peggy talks openly about the fear, confusion, and isolation that came with recognizing she was being pushed out, and what happened when every step in the chain of command failed to protect her.

This episode explores the emotional and practical realities of corporate harm, as well as what she learned about protecting herself when an organization refuses to. Peggy also reflects on what she would do differently now.

A few of the strongest reminders from this episode:

• Recognize bullying when you see it.
• Never stop at one attorney if you need legal advice.
• There are no mistakes, only learnings.

This episode is for anyone who has been targeted at work, underestimated in corporate spaces, or forced to choose between staying quiet and saving themselves.

About Our Guest

Peggy Bean is a media, marketing, and business leader with decades of experience across publishing, advertising, brand storytelling, and DEI-related consulting. Her career has included roles at Black Enterprise, Jet, Ebony, Essence, American Legacy, and Nickelodeon, among others. She is now exploring new work at the intersection of culture, consulting, and wine education, with a focus on joy, collaboration, and community.

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About the Host

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

Learn more about Lindiwe and view her media kit here.

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In this episode of They Tried It, host Lindiwe Davis sits down with Pamala Buzick Kim, founder of Mavenverse, a marketing firm that helps brands connect with high-trust communities like book clubs, run clubs, and other interest-based groups without disrupting the culture that makes those spaces meaningful.

At the center of this episode is a workplace betrayal that still stands out years later. Pamala recounts what happened when a woman in power, someone she had worked with closely and even invited to her wedding, used that access to try to recruit Pamala’s business partner behind her back. What followed was not just a professional rupture, but a deeper lesson in scarcity mindset, power, loyalty, and the ways some people weaponize relationships in business.

Pamala also reflects on the long game, how not every conflict deserves your deepest reaction, how discernment protects your energy, and why some of the most important lessons in work come from learning who people really are.

One of her biggest reminders in this episode:

You do not have to let someone else’s dysfunction define your direction.

This conversation is for anyone navigating difficult workplace relationships, creative industries, business partnerships, or leadership spaces where power and insecurity often collide.

About Our Guest

Pamala Buzick Kim is the founder of Mavenverse, a marketing firm focused on helping brands build authentic relationships with high-trust communities. With a background spanning talent representation, nonprofit leadership, and marketing strategy, she specializes in connecting art, culture, and commerce in ways that feel human, thoughtful, and sustainable.

LinkedIn | Mavenverse

About the Host

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

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In Episode 7 of They Tried It, host Lindiwe “Lin” Davis (aka The Couch Coach) sits down with workplace abuse advocate Deb Falzoi to unpack the hidden epidemic of workplace bullying, and why the system so often protects power instead of people.

Deb shares the experience that changed the trajectory of her career: a toxic workplace situation while working in higher education in Boston that escalated from subtle undermining to retaliation and institutional silence. What began as confusion quickly became a harsh lesson about how workplace power operates, and how organizations often close ranks around leadership rather than protecting employees.

The experience forced her to confront a painful reality: in many cases, workplace bullying itself isn’t illegal.

One message she emphasizes throughout the episode:

Fear doesn’t have to dictate your next move.

Whether that means speaking up, leaving a toxic workplace, advocating for change, or simply learning more about your rights, the goal is the same: reclaim your agency.

If you’ve ever questioned whether what you experienced at work was “serious enough” or felt alone in navigating workplace harm, this conversation offers both validation and practical insight.

About Our Guest

Deb Falzoi is a workplace abuse advocate and organizer who works to raise awareness about workplace bullying and push for stronger legal protections for workers. After experiencing workplace abuse herself, she began advocating for legislative reform, supporting survivors of workplace harm, and helping people understand the systems that allow abuse to continue.

Her work focuses on exposing structural power imbalances in organizations and helping workers make informed decisions about their next steps.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

workplaceabuse.com/options dignitytogether.org

About the Host:

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

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In this episode of They Tried It, host Lindiwe Davis sits down with marketing strategist and entrepreneur Sequoyah Glen, founder of 924, to unpack the realities of navigating corporate America as a Black woman, and what it takes to walk away on your own terms.

Sequoyah, also known as “Data Bae,” built a career in data, consumer insights, and marketing strategy. But behind the accolades and professional success was a pattern of being undervalued, underpaid, and underestimated in the workplace.

What followed was a masterclass in strategy.

Sequoyah shares how she learned to read the warning signs of layoffs, why she always had an exit strategy when entering a new company, and how documenting everything, from compensation gaps to workplace behavior, allowed her to negotiate a six-figure exit when corporate leadership tried to limit her growth.

After leaving corporate, Sequoyah founded 924, a marketing consultancy focused on restoring humanity to marketing and building more representative products and campaigns. Since launching, the company has surpassed $2m in revenue while helping brands rethink how they use data and consumer insights.

Sequoyah’s story is ultimately about self-trust, preparation, and refusing to let others define your value.

As she puts it:

“You can’t mess with someone who knows themselves—and knows their numbers.”

If you’ve ever felt overlooked, underpaid, or pushed out in corporate environments, this episode offers both validation and strategy.

About Our Guest

Sequoyah Glen is an award-winning marketing strategist and the founder of 924, a consultancy specializing in market research, consumer insights, and data-driven marketing strategy. With more than 15 years of experience across media, research, and analytics, she helps companies build smarter products and campaigns through data and cultural insight.

She is also the creator of National Black Marketers Day and an advocate for representation and equity in marketing and media.

LinkedIn | 924

About the Host:

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

Learn more about Lindiwe and view her media kit here.

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In this episode of They Tried It, host Lindiwe Davis sits down with Kim Williams, founder of the Fair Path Project and longtime HR leader, to unpack the realities of workplace bullying, psychological safety, and what really happens behind closed HR doors.

Workplace abuse affects millions of employees every year. Yet most people are told to “toughen up,” stay quiet, or accept toxic behavior as part of corporate culture. Kim pulls back the curtain on what HR is trained to do, where the system fails, and how employees can protect themselves when they realize they are on their own.

She also discusses her work supporting the Workplace Psychological Safety Act and the urgent need for accountability in organizations where leadership protects liability over people.

One of the most powerful takeaways from this conversation:

“It’s only scary the first time.”

Whether you’re navigating a toxic workplace, questioning how to file a complaint, or wondering why nothing seems to change when abuse is reported, this episode offers clarity, strategy, and validation.

You deserve to do meaningful work without fear, retaliation, or harm.

About Our Guest

Kim Williams is the founder of the Fair Path Project, an initiative dedicated to helping employees navigate workplace bullying and abuse. With years of experience in HR leadership and legislative advocacy, she now works full-time to expose systemic failures and provide practical tools for documentation, accountability, and self-protection.

Learn more: www.fairpathproject.com

Explore resources: inworkplaceabuse.org

About the Host:

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

She has interviewed actors, authors, activists, and cultural leaders; has been invited to speak and host conversations across platforms; has been featured by Bloomberg Radio and SAG-AFTRA; and has hosted Google's "Level Up in Tech," to name a few.

Learn more about Lindiwe and view her media kit here.

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In this episode of They Tried It, host Lindiwe Davis sits down with Kim Williams—founder of the Fair Path Project and longtime HR leader—to unpack the realities of workplace bullying, psychological safety, and what really happens behind closed HR doors.

Workplace abuse affects millions of employees every year. Yet most people are told to “toughen up,” stay quiet, or accept toxic behavior as part of corporate culture. Kim pulls back the curtain on what HR is trained to do, where the system fails, and how employees can protect themselves when they realize they are on their own.

Drawing from her experience in federal HR, corporate environments, and legislative advocacy, Kim shares:

• Why workplace abuse should be treated like a life-threatening emergency
• How cortisol, stress, and trauma manifest physically and impact families
• Why most harassment claims fail under current civil rights law
• How to document incidents the right way (and why emotion-free language matters)
• What to include in a formal complaint to HR
• Why you should involve your doctor and create an external medical record
• How to build a timeline and preserve evidence before it disappears
• What HR departments should be doing differently
• Why courage is contagious—and how speaking up changes culture

Kim also discusses her work supporting the Workplace Psychological Safety Act and the urgent need for accountability in organizations where leadership protects liability over people.

One of the most powerful takeaways from this conversation:

“It’s only scary the first time.”

Whether you’re navigating a toxic workplace, questioning how to file a complaint, or wondering why nothing seems to change when abuse is reported, this episode offers clarity, strategy, and validation.

You deserve to do meaningful work without fear, retaliation, or harm.

About Our Guest

Kim Williams is the founder of the Fair Path Project, an initiative dedicated to helping employees navigate workplace bullying and abuse. With years of experience in HR leadership and legislative advocacy, she now works full-time to expose systemic failures and provide practical tools for documentation, accountability, and self-protection.

Learn more: www.fairpathproject.com

Explore resources: inworkplaceabuse.org

About the Host

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

Learn more about Lindiwe and view her media kit here.

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In Episode 4 of They Tried It, host Lindiwe Davis (aka The Couch Coach) sits down with Shakira Polite to talk workplace sabotage, hostile coworkers, and what it takes to protect your dignity and your career in high-pressure team environments.

The heart of this episode centers on a difficult experience inside a professional program designed to create access to advertising for nontraditional talent. Shakira describes navigating escalating conflict with a teammate, moving from adjusting, to observing patterns, to enduring disruption, until the situation crossed into open hostility and project sabotage. She and Lin discuss the emotional toll of being publicly disrespected, the painful silence of bystanders, and the moment you decide: this is above me, I’m reporting it.

This episode is also about self-advocacy, especially for Black and Brown women who are often conditioned to carry the weight, protect others, or keep the peace at their own expense. Shakira offers practical principles for anyone facing conflict at work, including how to communicate upward when you don’t feel confident in “corporate language,” and why you need a strategy before you speak up.

About Our Guest

Shakira Polite is a strategist and culture researcher working in commercial advertising, corporate branding, and consumer insight. She helps businesses communicate with people in ways that feel human, grounded in reciprocity, cultural intelligence, and a deep understanding of audience behavior. She is also committed to sharing knowledge (not gatekeeping it) and expanding access for people with nontraditional backgrounds.

Find Shakira on LinkedIn and on her Website.

About the Host

Lindiwe is a sought-after speaker, interviewer, and culture strategist across several industries, known for bridging theory and practice through storytelling and lived experience. With over 25 years of experience spanning leadership development, organizational effectiveness, coaching, and media storytelling, she is the founder of FutureState Collective—the culture and media platform that produces They Tried It.

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