David Doty and Michael discuss the upcoming 2024 election, the implications of Trump's potential presidency, and the issues surrounding voter fraud and election integrity. They explore the global ramifications of Trump's policies, particularly in relation to American manufacturing and economic strategies. The discussion also delves into health regulations, the role of true believers in society, and the importance of understanding the true gospel in the context of modern Christianity. In this conversation, David Doty and Michael explore profound themes surrounding faith, salvation, immigration, personal responsibility, and the nature of truth. They discuss the eternal impact of one's faith and the importance of a genuine relationship with God, emphasizing that salvation is not merely a transactional act but a transformative journey. The dialogue also delves into the complexities of immigration policies, the realities of homelessness, and the necessity of humility in understanding spiritual truths. They critique the institutional church's role in spiritual growth and highlight the significance of names and identity in faith. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the importance of engaging with truth, even when it challenges personal beliefs, and the compassionate nature of Jesus as a model for believers.
takeaways
* Trump is predicted to be the next president.
* Elections serve as markers for future directions.
* Concerns about voter fraud persist.
* The Deep State may resist Trump's presidency.
* Economic policies should prioritize American workers.
* Health regulations are expected to change significantly.
* True believers must have a relationship with God.
* Many Christians may not truly understand their faith.
* The true gospel is often misrepresented in mainstream Christianity.
* A spiritual awakening is necessary for genuine faith. The eternal impact of faith is measured by transformation.
* Salvation requires a genuine relationship with God, not just a one-time prayer.
* Immigration policies should balance compassion with law and order.
* Homelessness often involves personal responsibility and societal factors.
* Human nature is inherently flawed, requiring divine guidance for change.
* Emotions must be aligned with truth for healthy perspectives.
* The institutional church may hinder true spiritual growth.
* Understanding the significance of names can deepen faith.
* Truth can be uncomfortable but is essential for growth.
* Jesus exemplified truth and compassion, challenging societal norms.
David Doty (00:00.206)
2024 Trump as of now, I mean, barring something unforeseen is going to be the next president 45 dash 47. Now, some of us are working on very little sleep and, and a lot of people are, scared about the future and a lot of people are really excited. So Mike, what's your take on election 2024?
here on November 6th.
Michael (00:33.15)
Well, from what it seems now, I call these, when you seek God, it's sometimes it's hard to really know where he's going in things. You know, we all know the difficulties. He gives certain people certain types of enlightenment, but even then some people say things they don't come to pass. So I've come to learn even when seeking God and I've heard things from him that were true came to pass. And I've heard some things in the past that didn't come to pass.
So one of the things I've learned how to do is to actually find certain markers that we know give us a direction. Elections, elections like these that is not just for our country, but for a global perspective. This is a marker that gives us an idea of where we're going for now. Obviously this is God's will. Trump has gotten in and he has gotten tremendous popular vote. He's gotten...
He's on the brink of at least 300 electoral votes from the way it looks like. So the will of the people has been shown and it looks to be that while I believe there was still quite a bit of voter fraud because a lot of things have been reported. So how much stuff hasn't been caught? I was able to see an image of what the popular vote was in the past few elections. And you could see the anomaly of
2020 as opposed to how this election's popular vote has fallen in line with what was in 2016 and 2012 in all those different elections. It lines up better with what the people were around that time. And you could see obviously it's not going to grow by that much, but yet you see a huge spike in 2020. That is it's, it's almost insurmountable not being able to truly account for.
How many more people, where did they come from? And how did they all disappear in this election? So we do know that Lara Trump, the vice president of the vice chair of the Republican party, was working with them very hard, having a huge network and a huge campaign against voter fraud this time. They told us they had like a hundred thousand poll workers and a whole
David Doty (02:35.394)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (03:01.98)
army of lawyers and we did see in live action events happening and they were shooting into action with their lawyers. Pole workers were noticing things. tried to kick them out. got them back in. So there was a lot of catching of things that were not being able to be caught or even if things were being brought up in the 2020 election, they were being ignored or thrown out. So there have been differences that I think allowed for Trump to overcome.
And again, ascend in this election as opposed to the previous election where we all know he won without a doubt. But the kinds of stuff that they did, I mean, just 3 a.m. in the morning, everyone knows they brought in suitcases into different states that brought Biden over the mark in many states, not to mention the machines flipping and all the different networking issues and things that went on that
and no courts wanted to touch it. didn't even look at the information. They said it had no standing. So basically they took the chicken way out and said, we're not going to look at it because we're scared. So.
David Doty (04:13.258)
or they were bought off or they were, like you said, they were scared because they were threatened or whatever. mean, we're seeing the news. It's been crazy this year how much stuff has come to light and, know, Sean Combs, B Diddy, a lot of that stuff, people are calling him the black Epstein and things like we're learning more and more. We're seeing more and more evidence come out of things that we've.
known but maybe not had clear evidence on a lot of people for the last many years about how the elites control a lot of people in positions of power and that includes celebrities. And I think more and more of that's going to come out. We know that there were lots of irregularities happening. There were videos of people
Like recording the voting machine as they were like trying to select a Trump and the other candidate was being checked, you know, and they wouldn't, the machine wouldn't let them change it. There were tons of lawsuits over the last four years in Georgia and Pennsylvania and Arizona and lots of other, of the swing states that have.
I mitigated a lot of the tampering and things that were going on. And I think it was just enough to allow Trump a decisive victory. What are some of the things that you expect to change or what are some things that you would expect to see change over the next couple of months, potentially even before he is inaugurated in January?
Michael (05:55.68)
before he gets inaugurated.
David Doty (05:57.398)
Yeah, you see, mean, he made some promises about things he would do if he got the nomination, you know, or if he won the election.
Michael (06:06.182)
I know he has tremendous power and all the leaders in the world were watching this like a hawk as well. So they're all, even though he's not legitimately sworn in, he's got the power because they know he does what he says so he could even say things to them now, however he wants to give the signals. I think certain things, my opinion is I think certain things
are gonna prop, may go down. I Deep State, we're all hunkering down because I don't think Deep State is gonna just take this sitting down. I I believe he's gonna, you know, he'll make his way straight to being inaugurated, but we're gonna have some turbulence, I believe. Maybe not, that'd be great, but it makes me, when things go too smoothly, it makes me a little suspicious what are they really doing? Because, you know, we always get hit with these,
David Doty (06:54.51)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (07:05.962)
catastrophic events and they were surprised. It's not like, aha, we knew that one was coming. You know, it's like, where did that come from? mean, COVID popping on the scene, you know, two towers getting blown down, you know, it's just when everything's all ladi da, everybody going about their business. like, that's when they like to jam you with a nice big one. So we don't know. mean, maybe they have some controls behind the scenes where they've mitigated a lot of stuff that they wanted to do.
A lot of these things are theoretical and you know, we can't bring absolute proof to these things, but we can surmise because if you look at a chess game, that's really what we're playing here. There's two big Titans playing chess. And if you think that things just happen, you don't know what's going on. There are people making decisions for their benefit or survival over the others. And we're believing Trump.
and his organization have been active in doing that even before 2016 when he got, when he was going for president. So even now, I don't know, I have theories of what could be coming about operations. Maybe things are going to have to obviously wrap up in Ukraine because he's going to obviously stop that. I'm wondering.
David Doty (08:30.646)
I hope that's the first thing he does.
Michael (08:32.946)
And we've, we've heard about Taiwan was like another type of Ukraine. There's bio labs there. There's other things there. I'm wondering if China makes a little break for it to go clear that up and then get out so that he gets the deep state control out of they get it. That's a theory of mine. Israel's going to have to wrap up. I'm sure unless they find some compelling reasoning that Trump will say, yeah, well, I have to back them on this.
David Doty (09:01.25)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (09:02.048)
to keep going. mean, supposedly they're saying there's around another 50 hostages that they still have, which if they are around and still alive by the time Trump gets in, I'm sure those are all going to get released because Trump is going to easily give them the, you're going to want to do this speech.
David Doty (09:20.866)
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, you're, you're right. mean, he, he talked on the campaign trail over the last few weeks about how there was plans by China to put a huge auto manufacturing plant in Mexico. And he told them, you know, I guess he called the president of China and said, if you do that and I get elected, we're going to put a hundred percent tariff on those cars.
that you're not, you're not going to, you can import them into the United States if I'm president, but it's going to cost you. They're not going to be cheap cars for Americans to drive. And they decided not to, not to build the plant. And he did that. You know, I think it's important for people to understand it's not because we don't want to see jobs created in Mexico.
let Mexico create their own jobs, but they're not going to continue to do it at the cost of American workers. mean, Detroit has been decimated by job loss with all of the competition that Ford and GMC and all of the American auto manufacturers have suffered at the cost of foreign
companies coming in. mean, like I drive a Toyota. I'm not against Toyota. I love Toyota. And in a lot of sense, the American auto manufacturers have done this to themselves, but it also, they have not gotten any help at all from either Republican part, from either party going back for 40 years apart from the first Trump presidency. And so I think
to put America first and allow other countries to put themselves first will be wonderful. And I'm really hoping outside of that, like I'm really hoping that he makes a phone call today to President Putin and gets Zelensky on the phone. And we see an end to the things that have been taking place over there in Russia and Ukraine.
Michael (11:31.872)
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it'll be today, but I definitely know. mean, look, Putin's watching that thing. He saw the election and he goes, okay, I know how we're going forward. I don't know the guy or whatever, but I've seen enough stuff to show that there's the bigger picture here. Trump has connections with him, with Chi, with the bin Salman in Saudi Arabia, even with Kim Jong-un.
David Doty (11:41.71)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Michael (12:01.306)
in North Korea, all these people that we've been told to be bad guys that really are, when you take a deeper dive and research these people, they're not. mean, China, yeah, has a communist party. Xi is an anomaly to that because he has not been very nice to his own party. He's been imprisoning people. Some people have been getting killed. So he's sort of been
defying a lot of aspects of his party. would say the CCP aspect of China, yes, is deep state and they had connections, you know, especially in the nineties with Clinton allowing them that free trade agreement that killed our manufacturing. I think Chi is turning that around because he's in cahoots more with Trump for, and their whole goal is to annihilate deep state, to get the big top of the food chain puppet masters.
out of the way gone so that now the true human ingenuity and prosperity and without any limits can truly happen. All the technologies that have been hidden away, even certain free energy ideas. Look at, why does he keep touting Elon Musk and this rocket that was caught? I mean, I'm sure that's a big deal and it, okay, great. But really I see behind that is like,
Look at the amazing step forward we've done. Look at Elon, who's been able to do this tremendous step forward. And he's hinting at this so much more that we're going to step forward with technologically wise. Once we get moving here and Elon Musk is excited about it because I bet you he's got stuff that he can't talk about right now that he's just can't wait to just unleash. Not to mention RFK Jr. doing his whole thing with the Health and Human Services and
and redoing that. But again, the big thing we had here, know, car manufacturers going to Mexico, even from a basic standpoint, it's a business decision. You're trying to cut your costs to make more money and their intention was cheaper labor. They don't care about making, you know, how many jobs there is in Mexico. They're just making it cheaper. So they would get it back. He said, well, you're not going to get it back. You're wasting your time. But they're saying, hey, we're doing that because it costs us so much more here.
David Doty (14:09.364)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Michael (14:24.872)
And then not to mention all the regulations that they keep putting on us that are restricting us. That's another problem. Well, Trump comes back with a deal. Don't go over there and I'm going to get these regulations off your back and we're going to help and try and work out where you could get better, cheaper work in labor room, however he decides to do it. So he doesn't come at these guys like they try to tell you in the media, like he's slamming them. He comes back with like, if you do go that route, it's going to hurt you. But.
If you go with me, here's what I have for you. So he always makes a deal. That's his work. You know, he's not a dictator. Dictator means you just do what I say and that's it. Well, if you go and you watch all of his, his negotiations and he always gives a pretty good side for the other side, you can't call him a dictator because he's giving your side a lot of good options. He's just saying, look,
David Doty (14:57.57)
Right? It's the art of the deal.
Michael (15:22.516)
Don't go this way that's going to hurt everybody and only gain you. He's keeping it where everybody benefits. And that's really the true Donald Trump that people who really understand him know how he is.
David Doty (15:36.074)
Absolutely. A lot of people have maligned him and said all kinds of terrible things about him, but the truth of the matter is Tulsi Gabbard, who is incredibly level-headed and I think a seeker of truth to some level, switched to the Trump campaign for a reason, as did Elon Musk, as you brought up, as did RFK Jr., as you brought up.
With RFK Jr., I don't know if you, if you've heard some of the talks that he's done, you know, making America healthy again.
David Doty (16:15.822)
There was a conversation with Callie and Casey Means. Did you hear that any of their interviews?
Michael (16:23.955)
sure about that one.
David Doty (16:25.176)
Casey Means, they're a brother and sister, and Casey Means is...
a physician by training. I think she went to Harvard and they're just talking about all of the poisons in all of our foods and how Americans are sick and cancer-ridden and all of these things because of the foods that we eat. And the FDA allows all of these foods and they just go deep into all that stuff. She's written a book or two and
I'm extremely hopeful that people like her, true scientists with true science without a political agenda, if anything, their political agenda is to see people do well and be well. I'm really hoping and expecting there to be some deregulation on lots of different levels.
but also some new regulations when it comes to what these food manufacturers are able to put into our food. I mean, the fact that we even have a term called food manufacturers shows us that there's a tremendous problem with what we eat. And a lot of the food that we buy, even processed foods like cereals and cookies and things like that, that we get from the center aisles of the grocery store.
have ingredients in them that are illegal in other countries. And there's a reason that Americans are so much more obese and have higher cancer rates and stuff like that than in Europe. And a lot of it's, 90 % of it's because of our food that we eat. And I'm really hoping that there are some sweeping changes early in 2025 just regarding that.
Michael (18:29.012)
I without a doubt believe that that's coming. You know, the fact that he brought in RFK and he touts, he's going to let him cut loose in that whole area. Just leave the liquid gold alone, but go after everything else. We're going to have a food revolution in this country because I seen enough videos of RFK with other people and I see this man's heart and this is his history. I mean, he's a lawyer who fought against
a lot of these chemicals and environmental issues. So this is his passion. And to have Trump now let him run wild, that's where we're going to, without a doubt, we're going to see a phenomenal turnaround with the food and with the pharmaceutical companies because he's going to go after them. I know they're, they're shaking in their boots right now too, because a lot of their pharmaceuticals are causing problems more than they're helping anybody.
David Doty (19:27.984)
absolutely.
Michael (19:28.062)
So there's no doubt about it that, you know, we have a huge powerhouse turnaround in so many areas that's coming with these awesome people that are genuine people, not fakers who just say stuff, but we could see from their history. We could see from what their persecution, you know, I found one of the key factors of how you know you should believe somebody.
is if these people go through fire and stand their ground and they go through turmoil for what they stand for, as opposed to flip-flopping or not getting involved with issues like that and always saying the smooth way of saying something. Trump has gone through tremendous fire. He has earned credibility all the way to getting shot in the ear where it could have killed him.
Without a doubt, RFK has been through so much persecution because of the opposition he's been through, through the years, even in his own family. So he's earned that as well. Tulsi Gabbard left her party because of the persecution, because she was not following the drum of their corruption and twisted ideas. And they ousted her. They basically shunned her and she's like, I'm out of here.
David Doty (20:28.942)
Yeah.
Michael (20:46.656)
You know, I, when I saw her early on and I'm like, this is a Democrat. You know, I didn't know who she was years ago. And I'm like, why is she in the Democrat party? And well, here you go. She finally came to realize it herself. So we have all these different people, including, you know, Joe Rogan, who was generally, you know, the middle line guy. A lot of people like him because he's not this way or that way. And he backed up Trump and he gave articulating reasonings of
David Doty (20:52.748)
Yeah, yeah.
Michael (21:15.552)
you know what he thought before and what he's learned about him and then even in the interview that he had with him what he's learned about him and again this is what people don't understand if you judge this man and you because you've heard clips from the media you're a fool that's what i have to say to you you're stupid and you're a fool and i would love to have you come and talk to me in any way because you need to actually listen to a whole
David Doty (21:34.113)
Yeah.
Michael (21:42.836)
Listen to him actually, what he actually says in a whole, does a speech at the rallies. Now you gotta watch them on tape because he's not doing any more rallies. But we've been to live rallies together. I've heard so many of his rallies from beginning to end. I know what he says. And some of the stuff that they would deem, know, my God, how could he say that? I'll say, you know what? I agree with him 100 % on it. So you wanna come at me with that?
David Doty (22:00.609)
Yeah.
Michael (22:09.544)
And I'm not coming against any human because of their skin. I'm not coming against any human because of their sexual orientation. But I will call them out and I will slam them if they're pushing an agenda and if they're lying. You you can't be nicey-nicey. You don't play nice with a dirty player.
David Doty (22:33.036)
Right. Yeah, totally agree. And, I mean, I, my personality is much different from yours. Obviously, you know, I, I'm more wired to be congenial and, and to just want to, I want peace and want everybody to be friends as much as that's possible. It's not possible. but there are a couple of different groups of people out there. There there's a group of people. Surprise. I it's surprising to me, but there are some people who are like, eh, we'll see what happens.
And they, you know, they, they really, they didn't vote. They don't, they're not passionate about it. And they're like, whatever, whatever's going to happen is going to happen. and you know, they're, even have a sense that the jury's out, you know, I don't know if Trump's good or bad. We'll see. You know, and then there's, there's people who don't believe in God and don't have a Christian biblical worldview, who hate Trump and hate.
America, you know, and what a lot of what you and I stand for. And that's fine. I'm not trying to reach those people like, we're never going to agree. That's that's okay. There's another group of people who would claim to be Christians, like I know people. There's one guy in particular who I go back and forth with on Facebook. We met through the international adoption process. We both adopted kids from Ukraine.
And, and this guy, we've only met in person a few times, you know, but we have a lot of mutual friends just because you go through that process and, you have that shared experience, but this guy was like hardcore left and he, and he claims to be a Christian. He, you know, he, he would be a church going.
I know that doesn't mean a lot to you, but he's somebody who would identify and would say he wants to see God glorified. And yet he's anti-Trump, anti-everything Republican, completely brainwashed, completely and totally brainwashed. And would go, he's somebody who he would also, as you are saying, repeat the lies of the news media.
David Doty (24:56.21)
And where they take words out of context, know, snippets of sentences where Trump's talking about murderers and gang members and gang bangers who have come into this country illegally, who would be in prison if they were still in Venezuela or whatever country they came from. And Trump's saying these people are animals because they're, they're gang banging, they're, they're murdering, they're trafficking children, they're trafficking drugs.
They are literally killing people, they're animals. And then they take that little snippet and say Trump's calling all immigrants animals. He's a racist. He hates anybody with brown skin. And it's like, that's absolutely not true. And I think that there's judgment that's going to come against people who refuse to acknowledge the truth and continue to perpetuate lies.
When you, it's, it's just wrong. And I think it's despicable. It would, it's, it's wrong, not just against Trump, but against anybody. If I were to take, if I were to hear a rumor because somebody said something about Mike Michigan that sounded bad. If I were to repeat that continually and be willing to die on that sword.
and go around and blast it out to the public. Mike Michigan's a bad guy because he said X or he did X or whatever without doing some independent research to find out whether or not it's true. First, I invite judgment upon myself and I think there needs to be some judgment as much as I don't want to see people hurt. I don't want to see anybody suffer.
But there needs to be some recompense to people who are perpetuating lies and refusing to acknowledge the truth. And maybe a Trump presidency in and of itself is enough to really punish them. I don't know. What do you think?
Michael (27:09.256)
I think this is a great segue to now the spiritual side of things and now I'm about to get extremely ferocious and gonna get a lot of people angry who are false Christians that we're talking about here. Yes, just by saying you're a Christian does not phase me at all. In fact, most likely I'm thinking you're just a faker until you prove to me that you're a true believer. A true believer is shown by you have a relationship with God.
and you're led by the Spirit, hear His voice. And many Christians, people that call themselves Christians, are not. They're fakers, they're liars. They've come in because they either want to go to heaven or they don't want to go to hell, and they don't understand what the Kingdom of God is about. And they judge things from their carnal perspective, which is an abomination to God. To call yourself by God's name,
And then to make judgments from a carnal, emotional perspective is an abomination. It is a breaking even the third commandment. Do not take upon yourself the name of God in vanity, in vain. Like it's useless. And this is what most of Christianity does. That's why the church at large institution is anti-Christ. Doesn't mean each church is bad. Doesn't mean your pastor is bad. But just like Israel back in the time of Messiah Yeshua,
This was the people of God. But the system that the Pharisees were running was anti-Christ. How do you know? Because there was the Christ and they were anti. That's what anti-Christ means. It's against. And he called them out. He called them whitewashed tombs. He called them twice as, you know, they're making people twice as worthy as hell as they are. That they strain out a gnat and swallow it a camel. That they put aside the
David Doty (28:45.688)
They were against and anti is against, right?
Michael (29:05.748)
things of God for the things of men. He did not go easy on them. He was not nice to them. He went into the temple and he flipped over their money changer tables. He made whips and started whipping everything out. We see him in so many places being ferocious against people supposedly of God and they're doing things their way, making business out of God and making up false ways around God from their own carnal intellect.
If you want to call yourself a true believer of God, you are required, you are mandated to know and hear the voice of God and be led by His Spirit. If I tell you, if I ask you, so what did God say to you lately? And you say, I don't know. I don't know what he says. If you don't hear the voice of God, you should fear because you may not be going where you think you're going. Because Yeshua said, my sheep hear my voice. They know me.
and they follow me. And he says, there's a remnant that will be saved. And he says, many are called, few are chosen. He says, wide is the road to destruction and many are on it. And he was talking to Israel, the people of God, not the outsiders. He said, narrow is the road to life and few find it. He goes on with the parable of the sower and talks about how there's four levels. When the seed is scattered, Satan snatches away one section.
David Doty (30:19.512)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (30:33.852)
Next section springs up great and then shrivels away when a little bit of when it gets dry and they persecution comes. And then you got the people who just get caught up in the world that's getting choked by the thorns. And the only and only a quarter of them are illustrated as people who actually rise up in life and actually produce fruit. If you're truly hearing from God and you're truly led by his spirit, you'll produce the fruit of God, which is kingdom.
expressions, kingdom results by the character of the Holy Spirit that is teaching you, building you, transforming you. That is the power of God that is supposed to be moving in your life. If you are still fearing, you better fear because you may not be following God because God did not give us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of love, power and a sound mind. So I'm warning you if you are calling yourself a Christian.
you may not be going where you think you're going if you do not have an assurance that you are hearing from the voice of God. Even Paul said that I buff it myself that let less I be running the race and at the end be disqualified myself. So he did not even judge himself as having the prize but having to keep an account for himself. He said let the man who thinks he's staying, you know, be concerned, check himself lest he fall.
All of these things here, we work out our salvation with fear and trembling. All of these different things are written in scriptures, warnings to us. And I've only begun to warn my job here and you speak about our personalities. And that's good. I have this personality and it's not as common. It is more relatable to someone like Trump who'll just call it out straight to your face and doesn't care if you get upset because it's true. And I'm here designed to do that.
David Doty (32:15.438)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (32:29.0)
and then we need people like you who are more diplomatic who are okay now let's we understand how we need to do this right guys now it's not working out what do you say and that's how the teamwork works i'm not good at that part that you're good at you know i'm not designed to be that way because somebody's gotta be there to give the spankings and i have the full backing and authority of god and anybody who wants to challenge me come along let's talk i'd have i'd be happy to discuss with
David Doty (32:58.723)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (32:59.018)
But we need now in these times, God has moved and the whole goal wasn't, goody, we got Trump for another four years. The whole thing now is, okay, God, you've given us this reprieve again. You've blessed us with opportunity for the physicality of our country, but the kingdom of God is what's most important. Scripture speaks clearly about a finality and the buildup to the finality.
Paul speaks about how Yeshua is going to return for a bride without spot or blemish. So therefore, he's not going to return if this bride has a lot of spots and blemishes. So the bride needs to get rid of these spots and blemishes, which are all the false understandings and twistings of the church that are stunting the growth of believers and allowing them to be stagnated and never maturing to the respect of the believers that were in the book of Acts in the beginning.
David Doty (33:31.79)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (33:57.01)
If you can honestly tell me I'm operating like those guys in the book of Acts were in the beginning, no problem, you're good. But I can tell you right now, most people on the planet cannot. Therefore, you must say, we got a lot of work to do because we're far from where we're supposed to be, which is a lot of spots and blemishes. He's also saying the gospel has to be preached to the whole world. Yeshua said that in Matthew 24.
David Doty (34:04.834)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (34:15.715)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (34:24.257)
Every Nation.
Michael (34:26.292)
The true gospel has to be preached. Not this false one that came through Catholicism and into Protestantism, where as you believe in Jesus and you're saved, you're going to heaven. That's a false gospel. And anyone who believes that simplicity is gonna die, you're dead. But the true gospel is, good news, that fallen guy, Adam, that made everybody fall away, gave you a nature that is going down the tubes. And we all sin. But good news,
Yeshua made in the form of man, with the fullness of God infused in him, the word that became flesh made the way. Didn't do it for you, he made the way. That's why he's called the way, the truth and the life. That's why in the book of Acts, they were calling it the way, because he made the way for you to go back to the Father now, you can connect with the Father through the forgiveness of sin that Yeshua paid the price for.
and now you can have relationship with the creator of the universe as your father and his Holy Spirit will come and live within you and guide you into all truth and transform you from that old man into the new man in a daily process. That's why Paul says I die daily. It's a daily process of death of the flesh and rising in the spirit as you acknowledge your flesh is evil and see it come up in thoughts
David Doty (35:45.538)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (35:54.462)
and actions and you give it to him on the altar to die that his Holy Spirit can now raise you up that much more in the spirit man which is greater knowledge of the Father knowing him and becoming like him and bearing fruit that is of him and that is the signs of the true gospel message and the third is the Jews are going to call him back Yeshua said that you Jerusalem
David Doty (36:09.038)
That's right.
David Doty (36:12.599)
Right.
Michael (36:23.136)
How long I longed to gather you and you were not willing. Your house is left desolate. You will not see me again until you say, Baruch haba, B'shem Adonai, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. And that is prophesied throughout that the Jewish people will come to their Messiah, they will mourn for the one whom they've pierced. As it says in Zechariah, they will be brought back to their place on the shoulders of the Gentiles to do their role, which is to teach the world the true way of God, the right way of God.
That's why it says in Isaiah, the Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem and all the world will be blessed through it and all the nations will stream to this mountain and worship God on this mountain and I will possess Judah as my portion in Jerusalem. And that's what God says in Zachariah chapter two as the establishment of Jews and Gentiles coming together in Messiah Yeshua.
David Doty (36:59.0)
Amen.
Michael (37:21.248)
So this is the differentiation that we have. Now people need to be able to have their relationship with God and know what He's doing and forget about what you think. And if God is backing somebody, which I already knew back in 2015 when I saw Trump come down the mountain, the escalator, I was praying and soon after that, the Lord showed me what He was doing and relating Him to a Cyrus and He was operating in a lot of those ways, exactly that way.
And it's funny because he goes away for a little while and then there's a return for the finishing of the thing. Just as the story goes, that's another thing we could talk about another time. But I already knew the anointing of God was there from this man, which is usually God uses those thorny, unsuspecting people that you're like, no, this is not the guy that God would use. And that's exactly who God would use. And if that doesn't, you know, even if you don't hear from all those years,
When you saw that a bullet went through his ear and it should have went through his head, only the simplest rational person, you have to be adamant against the truth to deny the miracle hand of God saving this man's life when he didn't have to do that. So that's my answer to people who want to claim they're of God. And I do get ferocious against most people who claim to be Christians or whatever they want to do. And then they do act like a liberal.
You're not mine. You're not with me. I do not accept you and you can come and argue with me. Please do come discuss
Sorry.
David Doty (39:00.547)
Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's the truth. You know, I mean, I love how you started off in that. Jesus said, my sheep know my voice and they follow me. You know, Jesus is the truth. He is the truth. He is the embodiment of the heart of God, the father. You cannot love Jesus.
without following him, you cannot follow him without loving the truth. And truth is not subjective. mean, there is absolute universal truth. There is right and wrong.
Michael (39:42.336)
Well, here's the trick. You could say you follow Jesus and not follow the truth because you're following a false, and that's why I say Yeshua. It's a differentiation for me. When people say Jesus, that's the religious form that they formulated, but the operational way, because you get up there in churches, they're praise Jesus, praise Jesus. But their operation, a lot of these people are operating according to the flesh.
So you're following a false Jesus who is not the truth. So there is a masked, I call it like the, it's like what the Catholic church did. They spread Jesus around, but it was like his face on a can of tuna fish. I call it. You know, what was really in there was not who he was, but it's, you know, that's what they portray. It's the same thing with Christianity. The mainstream Christianity portrays lies. They've been lying to you.
David Doty (40:26.356)
Right.
Michael (40:39.754)
You're stunted in your growth because you've been given baloney from them and they suddenly have you follow their ways over you, encouraging you to have a relationship with God and being led by his spirit. I know, because I've been to many churches all through my years. I've been devoted to quite a few in the early years and I've learned all about this and I've prayed and talked to God and he's revealed these things to me. So.
David Doty (40:47.406)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (40:53.912)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (41:06.46)
anybody wants to argue with me this is not coming from me i had talked to the lord about this many times and i could tell you right now christianity god's not happy
David Doty (41:18.669)
you're absolutely right. mean, and just look at the fruit of it. Look at the fruit. What is the result? What is the eternal lasting impact? And people might say, look at all the souls that we saved or look at, you know, again, are those people loving the truth? Are their lives being changed? Are they're leaving behind the lives of sin and going and being transformed into the image of God? Because at
All of those verses that you narrow is the road that leads to life, the path. It's through tribulation that you enter into the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said in Matthew seven, there will be many who say to me at my return on judgment day, didn't we preach? Didn't we prophesy? Didn't we heal? Didn't we perform these signs and miracles? Jesus will say, I never knew you. never.
had an intimate relationship with you, get away from me. I never knew you. You didn't know me and I didn't know you. We were never together, therefore we're not gonna be together for eternity. And people need to understand that. We don't get to just ask Jesus into our heart so that we can have this eternal life insurance and go on following, living our life the way the rest of the world does and doing everything that we wanna do. It's just not, that's not how it works.
Back to the election.
David Doty (42:49.958)
One of the things that we were talking about before I started recording was the, or one of the things we were talking about before we hit the record button was mass deportations. I had a conversation, I'm in the midst of a conversation on Facebook with somebody who is very disappointed, I would think, who was a very vocal supporter of Kamala Harris, who is concerned about families being ripped apart and stuff like that. We were talking about
the
David Doty (43:24.854)
illegal immigrants that have come into the United States. And I think most conservatives, Republicans, Trump supporters would agree that like we're not against immigration. Trump has said himself, he's not against immigration. He's married to an immigrant. know, it's more about the illegal immigrants in particular, the wide open borders and the free for all that's been coming in with people.
who are criminals, like documented murderers and rapists and people trafficking children and bringing in drugs and doing all of those other things. Do you foresee a significant change coming to the borders of the United States?
Michael (44:17.206)
for sure. The border is definitely going to get sealed up now. As long as Trump is in there doing what he's got to do, he's absolutely going to seal it up. And he's going to probably do on a mass deportation level of many of these people. You could get upset about breaking up families, this, that, and the other thing. Like you said, there is a legal process on becoming a citizen of this country, and there's many people online to do that.
Meanwhile, people have come in caravans in the last two, three, five years, or even recently, they're just coming over the border. And not only are they coming in, they're not even monitored. They're not showing up for their court cases regardless. And they're getting welfare, that everyone's seeing all this different money from our taxpaying, all the money that we give in taxes. And they're getting all these benefits, medical benefits, they're getting...
amex cards or whatever it is and free phones and all these different freebies that are putting burdens on this country. The problem is that people think emotionally and they don't think what actually makes a country, what makes any organism to operate and function in a progressively proper and healthy way. It's got to have its systems and its systems have to work together in its balance.
If you just start breaking the laws and saying it's okay, well then why can't I kill you? well, no, that one we can't do. The whole point of laws is that it's an agreement between parties that we establish this, that we agree to in order to create a type of order and fairness and protection in society. To allow people to illegally just break in puts a heavy burden.
David Doty (45:49.39)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (46:11.994)
And many people don't want to be paying all these heavy taxes and our country going into greater and greater debt, which breaks our back. And it's not going to be a country that was the people that want to come to anymore. It's going to turn into what they left because it is improperly bringing in people when we do have a legal process, proper way of doing that. And anybody who would stop thinking with their emotions.
and start actually researching and understanding how to have a functioning operating, I use the word organism or government. That's what this, you on a land you have of government, which is a people have a design of laws on how that their land that they occupy is gonna run by. And we call that a government and we give it a name to identify it.
We call this America, the United States of America. Italy has its design of laws and ways and customs. So you can't just throw everything away and do what you want, because then we call that chaos. Chaos is totally destructive because when you break down, chaos is a breakdown of all systems. There's no order. There's no operational way. When you don't have an operational way,
David Doty (47:07.907)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (47:35.988)
just go and picture rioting. Rioting, why are we against rioting? All systems have broken down and people are going crazy and everybody's getting hurt, killed and destroying everything and civilization is out of control. That's just a simple example of having chaos. We preserve law and order and we hire people called police to enforce that and we have a fear
that people should have against breaking these laws because the police will come and take away your freedom. All of these are basic things that everyone should understand, probably should be taught in school at a young age, so your emotions will not drive your perspectives. The problem we're talking about here is there are many people, and we call them liberals, and Christians can be liberals, and what it means is you are not adhering to truth and facts
You are adhering to emotion and you can't properly articulate your reasoning. You just feel your way through and that is the way you destroy a nation or any type of operating system. Emotions are good when they're yielded under truth. And that's where people can celebrate together. You have a rejoicing as a type of emotion. Laughter together, enjoyment together.
David Doty (48:49.678)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (49:03.636)
you know hugging emotion but all of those things truly get its enjoyment because you have a system of rules and laws that everyone adheres to not your own way you don't have the right to do what's right in your own eyes or what you want
David Doty (49:14.625)
Right.
David Doty (49:21.95)
Absolutely right. was having sick while you were talking, it was reminding me of a conversation that I had with a couple people who are currently homeless. A few weeks back, I was having breakfast with it with this two people in Naples and they were sharing how hard it is to be homeless. You know, regardless of how they got there, a lot of times
people don't want to take responsibility for themselves. A lot of times, not all the time. Sometimes it's, you people fall through the cracks and bad things happen. you know, sometimes people just don't want to.
David Doty (50:03.0)
do the things that are necessary to maintain a home. Like they don't want to work full time or they don't want to have a bank account or they don't want to whatever. You know, there's lots of ways that people wind up homeless. Sometimes it's self-inflicted and sometimes it's not. Okay. But the truth is like when you're homeless, like you are at the will of your environment completely. don't, if it's going to rain, you're going to get wet. Everything you own is going to get wet.
And this lady was saying like when she would take her shoes off.
to go to sleep and she'd be sleeping on concrete or on pavement. A lot of the times she would wake up and her shoes would be gone almost every time. That's chaos. It's anarchy. It's complete and total freedom. She can do whatever she wants.
And she doesn't have to work if she doesn't want to. And, you know, she's free to make her own choices, but she's also subject to the environment of other people who are free. And she could call the police and say, somebody stole my shoes. And the police are going to say, we have bigger things to worry about. Like, we're not going to help you. And it's just the sad reality. So if you want to have a society in which everybody can do whatever they want.
That includes they can do whatever they want to you and to your belongings. And it results in chaos. Absolutely, 100%.
Michael (51:39.744)
Well, and then it brings us back to the spiritual understanding of that perspective, or any perspective. Which the first thing to remember is that we're all evil. We're all born from Adam, which is evil. Man is inherently evil through the sin of Adam, absolute. Now, then there's God. And God's goodness, which means I am looking to do everything
good for you. If you are willing to submit to my ways, because your ways are evil, I don't want that. If you're willing to give that way up and be changed my way, I'm gonna cover you, take care you, and do all these great things for you, but it's gonna be my way. And that's the core basis of all of this. We're at the top of all of this. Like it says with the covenant of Israel, if you follow my ways and my decrees, then I will bless your going in, your going out, I'll bless the fruit of
David Doty (52:15.925)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Michael (52:39.104)
room, whatever you put your hand to, your enemies will flee from you, you will take over their stuff. So in other words, the favor of God will be upon you if you're directing towards his ways and operating in that. You'll get a favor and a protection and a blessing on that. The other side of that covenant is if you do not, the punishments are even more so and it keeps going on and on.
of how he's going to drive you into the ground and then he's going to go even further and then he's going to really do and then he's going to get you kids and he's going to get and he's going to slam you and bam you and crash you and every Christian that says well that was the God of the Old Testament you don't know God so shut up.
David Doty (53:16.642)
Right.
Michael (53:18.334)
What it is is the same today. Homeless people, they got their circumstances, they got to their circumstances. And it's sad, some could have handled things better and got there because of their negligence. Others, bad things happen and they get there. Whether it's them or prostitution, you've been trafficked, you've been a drug addict, you've been this, you've been that. All of your circumstances because of whatever it is,
brings you to a place nobody on this planet skates through this life and everything's wonderful hunky dory. So you're gonna get something, whatever it is, but here's the deal. God is always there, right there, waiting for you to say, if you turn to me, I can turn this all around, even for those homeless people and I can guarantee you if they started dedicating themselves and focusing on God,
And reason why I'm saying that is because I am not better than any other human on the planet. And God has blessed me, taken care of me, provided for me in such ways that I can't even begin to imagine how to tell everybody how wonderful and awesome this great, great creator of the universe who is our father, he calls us son, how awesome he is. And I get, I get almost jealous and upset and angry for him when I see
how trivialized and these hippieized Christians take it the wrong way. There is a love, but the way they express it is wrong and they misaligned him. They make him into this little fruity hippie perspective, like you could do whatever you want. It's okay and everything is fine and I'm happy and lucky. No, you have to fall in line. You've got to recognize you're wrong. You've got to come on your knees with a humble heart, cry out to him.
David Doty (54:52.206)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (55:11.314)
and confess out these things that I'm wrong, I've done this wrong, which is what I've done in my life many times, recognizing, and I still do, because it's a daily process. And he comes in and starts to change me, build me, and transform me, and that's the true riches of it all, is really growing in the knowledge of him, growing into his character by his spirit. But then he takes care of you in your environment. He blesses your dwelling.
David Doty (55:33.646)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (55:39.988)
He blesses you financially for whatever you need, not what you want. I've not prayed and say, Lord, I want some big fast car, give me a Corvette outside and boom, it appeared there. No, that's not what happens. But when I have a need and I gotta get some, I pray and he works it out and I'm taken care of. And he'll do it for them because I am not better than them. But the difference between these people, and I know it is a fact, I've dealt with many different types of people.
David Doty (55:40.088)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (56:03.37)
Right. Right.
Michael (56:10.304)
they are stubborn the most prideful people that you'll find are the nice people that you know and that's why they get the cancers and the sicknesses and the attacks and the catastrophes they say my god i'm such a good person why did this happen because you said my god i'm such a good person no you're not you better check yourself you better get on your knees and say god i'm not worthy i'm not worthy of who you are i'm not worthy of any of this but
David Doty (56:30.295)
Come on.
Michael (56:39.324)
help me to open my heart up in humility and really let you in and get this flesh to die because I can't stand it. I don't want it. That's the attitude that we have to have. You know, and I speak right now and people can listen to me and say, who do think you are? Look how you're speaking. You're not a humble person. You don't know what humility is. It says in the book, it says in the Torah, the first five books of Moses that God said,
David Doty (56:52.174)
Yeah.
Michael (57:07.304)
Moses was the most humble man around. Most humble man. Now did you watch and listen to this guy? When he spoke to the people? God, do not listen to their prayers. If the ground opens up and swallows you, then you'll know it was God speaking to me. The ground opens up and swallows them. And he's condemning them left and right. You wicked people. This was the most humble man around. Pay attention when you read your Bible. Don't read one-liners. Read the context.
Pay attention to the character of these people, including Yeshua. And you'll feel rebuke.
David Doty (57:42.72)
Yeah. Jesus, was, was on a call earlier this morning and somebody was saying how
we need to be kind and different things. And it's true. We do need to love people. My heart breaks. I'm very sad. I've lost family members over the last couple of years. I have people I love dearly who won't talk to me because of my political or religious views and different things. A lot of these things that you're saying.
And it makes me very sad. And I know many of them are fearful of the future because the election didn't go the way they wanted it to. And it makes me sad. At the same time.
David Doty (58:36.716)
I can't shy away from the truth. I mean, we all have to do what we are called to do. Whatever doesn't come from faith is sin, right? God has charged me with trying to get truth in as loving a manner as I can, trying to help people see truth, people who have been indoctrinated. You know, it's not...
necessarily somebody's fault that they believe a lie the first time they hear it. But when they're confronted with truth and they continue to double down on the lie, there's a problem and they're inviting judgment on themselves. And, you know, the news media has lied. Our politicians have lied. Our
educational facilities are full of liars who are indoctrinating people against truth. It's in every aspect of our lives. Our medical doctors are lied to in medical school. They are taught to follow their teaching and to forsake everything else. The drug companies are lying.
Everybody is lying on in every aspect of leadership, the banking system, it's built on lies and thievery and it's not fair. And we're so indoctrinated. But the thing is we have to wake up to the truth. We've got to learn how to decipher the truth. So what would you say to somebody who's like, Mike, some of the things you just said, I've never heard those things before.
Why is it like, why is it that I didn't know? I've been a Christian my whole life, people say. I've never heard that Jesus wasn't nice. How do we know? mean, obviously when we talk about Jesus, we can read the Bible, but when we're looking at
David Doty (01:00:49.73)
we're watching Fox News or CNN, how do we know that that reporter or that news anchor is lying to us? How do we evaluate and know what's true?
Michael (01:01:03.37)
funny because there's so many angles things that different things that I'd want to say if I can let the Spirit of God bring it forth. to answer your question for Christians, the church institution, you got to learn your history on how it how we got to where we're at today. And the bottom line is you watch the progression of Catholicism into Protestantism, which breaks away from Catholicism, but doesn't get away from a lot of the manmade junk that even you know,
that Protestantism still propagates. That's why I tell you that the church institution at large is anti-Christ. It is against the anointing. It doesn't allow you to grow in the true spirit. It doesn't allow the Holy Spirit to bring you into the deeper depths of understanding God and being like they were in the beginning of the book of Acts, where they were very confident and boldly able to go forth by the power of the Spirit.
proclaiming and moving in power and healing people and the kingdom spread like wildfire. The church institution today is likened to multiple different concepts of the past. King Saul's kingdom is the church institution today. It is doing things the way they want to do it or how the people think and doesn't really care about what God wants to do. Therefore, God took his spirit off of Saul
and gave him an evil spirit. That evil spirit is anti-Christ. Anti-Christ is a limiting spirit, which doesn't mean that churches will not have a little experience of the Holy Spirit because God will always meet people where they allow him. So you will see occasionally hear things here and there, but it will not allow you to grow because when you start to try to excel in the church institution, which is anti-Christ, if it cannot control you,
gonna throw spears at you and chase you out. You're gonna be running just like David did. That was all done to tell you about this. Nothing was just told to you as a story. If you think it's just stories then you don't know God. The same thing with Yeshua and the Pharisees. The Pharisees were propagating the Antichrist system that people who truly wanted to know God the right way had to leave and go out to John and get dunked.
Michael (01:03:24.498)
and be cleansed of those filthy lying ways that they were taught so that they could see clearly by the straight path that was made, because that's what John came prophesied by, to make your path straight. The Pharisees were twisting their paths for religion. So now they could see the true way of Messiah and see the Messiah. All of this is trying to tell you the same theme that's going on. So we have that going on today. And like you said, yes, maybe you're in ignorance and you don't know.
But when the truth comes along, somebody's speaking it to you and you fight it. Now, judgment is impugned because now you were enabled to hear, you were able to hear the truth and you reject it. Now you have no excuse. This is the same thing with Israel, with the prophets, all the prophets. Israel, if God just smashed Israel without warning them, then they could have had a saying back to God.
Hey, why'd do this? What was going on? We didn't know we were doing wrong. Sorry, even though they had the Torah. But you know, we do see in the book of Kings that they lost the book of the law for a time and Josiah eventually found it. So they had an argument to say, hey, we didn't know for sure. We lost this book of the law. But now they found it. Josiah straightens things out. And then you still things go bad afterwards. And you see Jeremiah has to prophesy. You see Isaiah prophesying off of
a lot of things that were to come about with Babylon, even from what Hezekiah did. And many of these other prophets were giving warning to Israel that they did know, and they still chose to do things their way, so the consequence that they spoke to Israel that was going to come upon them if they didn't repent, turn back, and stop doing these things, which was the work of their own hands, this wasn't some special
side things that they only did and we don't do today. Everything that they did is what the church does now. They have the Asherah in the churches, they worship Baal in the churches. They are worshiping the work of their own hands. They have their high places, which is their own pride. All of these are symbolic of the attitudes and ways that we do things in church today. So what you see in all their worship practices in Israel,
David Doty (01:05:26.786)
Mm-hmm.
Michael (01:05:49.402)
is directly related to in the church today first to the Jew then to the Gentile as it says so you better check yourself and regroup because like we said I've talked to people and there's people who are wide open that are humble which means they're open that's what humility really means it means you're open to hear the truth pride means you're closed
When I talk to someone, it's like, wow, I never heard that, you know, I'm gonna look into that. That's all I ask. That's a humble person who's willing to receive, you don't have to accept it, because I say so, but you're willing to take it in and you're to go check it out. But when you speak to somebody and they give resistance right off the bat because it taps their emotions or the way they wanna see things, well, you're in big trouble, buddy, because the next thing that comes, like they say, pride comes before the fall.
well there's a reason why, your pride kept out the truth and the judgment's about to hit you. So people need to pay attention because we're not in a good standing with God right now. Remember, it says, wrath remains on those that did not accept Yeshua. And that's His way. Remember, Yeshua is the truth. Many people accept Jesus, which is some cool guy who did something for me. That's a lie.
Yeshua is the walking truth that made the way for you to know the Father in His truth if you will submit and give out over that flesh to the cross to die and let Him build you in His spirit man into His likeness. That's the truth.
David Doty (01:07:30.232)
So if we were to translate the Bible, if it was written, if the New Testament was written in Hebrew and it was translated straight to English, there wouldn't be Jesus. Jesus would not be an English word because the New Testament was written in... Do I?
Michael (01:07:46.144)
Well, when you see the translation, technically it would be Joshua.
David Doty (01:07:54.304)
Right, exactly.
Michael (01:07:55.252)
they're translating it to Jesus because they're getting it from the Greek. Yes.
David Doty (01:07:59.16)
the Greek yesu. And then it goes from English to Spanish, hesus, right? So there's been, I'm not saying, we're not saying that if you're a born again believer in Jesus Christ that you're going to hell. But we're saying that there's an understanding and a distinction that needs to be made. What does the name Yeshua mean?
Michael (01:08:05.0)
Exactly.
David Doty (01:08:26.888)
And what's the significance of that specific name?
Michael (01:08:32.832)
Well, Yeshua is more of the Aramaic variant off of Yehoshua, which in English is translated to Joshua. You remember Joshua with Moses, his name was originally Hosea in Hebrew, which means salvation. Yehoshua, or Yehoshua means he will save. It's got the yud in the beginning, which is a futuristic of the third.
Third person so he will save it's technically what it is you get the variant of that into Aramaic as we get Yeshua Which is still he saves God will save is that is the overall meaning of that? Again Jesus You know I understand you can so we know who we're talking about, but well the way certain people believe in him I don't think we know who we're talking about here because
You could call yourself whatever you want. can call yourself the Pope. doesn't matter. Doesn't mean it's the truth. You are a believer if you know God and you hear his voice and you're led by his spirit and you're being made into his image and dying to your old man. And others will be able to see it. And the outflow of that will be that your heart is truly loving your brethren as yourself. That is the Royal Command.
That is the outflow of that character. Now, every person has their way. My way of loving my fellow brethren is to rebuke because we have a whole lot of mess and somebody's got to give the spankings and I'm happy to do it. And that's what my job is. I will tell you the truth. And it's for the purposes to actually help. I'm saying this sharp because I'm hoping to shake people to say, you know, what if this guy's right? Let me go ask God.
David Doty (01:10:13.117)
You love somebody enough to tell them the truth.
Michael (01:10:27.392)
Perfect. You don't have to believe me. I'm maybe I'm wrong, but you can't make the decision right now by just saying, you know I'm wrong you have to have a relationship say God he's saying this is that true if you do that you justify yourself because now Whether I'm wrong or right you get to go to your father that you have a relationship with and he will tell you Yes or no, and that's your salvation right there. That means you have a connection to him
David Doty (01:10:28.974)
Yeah.
David Doty (01:10:56.92)
Well, and people say the truth is offensive. You know, a lot of times, that's offensive. You know, can't believe you would say that it, you you hurt my feelings, whatever. The truth will set you free, but it'll make you mad first. You know, and, and that's, that's where it comes back to being humble, to being open. Like I might be wrong. Tell me something. Love me enough to tell me if I'm wrong. I don't want you to continue suffering needlessly.
Michael (01:11:01.544)
It is.
David Doty (01:11:26.188)
because you're believing a lie. But if, no, if that's what you want to do, like all we can do is share the truth. You know, can lead that horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Michael (01:11:28.16)
Well, just keep, go ahead.
Michael (01:11:37.799)
look at what Yeshua did. is the truth, we know that. He is the embodiment of truth and he says to those Jews who are believing in him as it says in John, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no part with me. He therefore gives them a metaphorical perspective that if they take it literally they're to get offended at this truth. It's true, but he's meaning it metaphorically in the spiritual sense of his body is the bread of life.
David Doty (01:11:53.708)
you
Michael (01:12:06.196)
to be taken in and bring life through building you in the truth. And his blood is the blood of the covenant that he spills for us, but he's testing them. Are you seeing me spiritually or are you seeing me naturally? He says, my words that I speak to your spirit. And many of them got offended and left. And he didn't beg them to come back. He said to his disciples, are you gonna leave me too? Testing them as well. And they at least said the right answer. We don't know.
David Doty (01:12:27.65)
Right.
Michael (01:12:32.032)
You know, we're not, we don't understand, but we know you have the words of life. All right, you don't fully understand, but at least you know whatever you say, boss. That's enough for God. You don't have to understand fully, but you can understand he's telling you the right way. You don't go and challenge him because you don't like the truth. That's the big thing that people don't understand. Your emotions are what's killing you. Get rid of your emotions and don't bring them back until you get truth.
David Doty (01:12:40.238)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (01:12:50.157)
Right.
Michael (01:13:00.04)
as you're grounding in your foundation, then you can have them submitted under truth.
David Doty (01:13:07.542)
Amen. Well,
Michael (01:13:09.652)
And then just another thing to bring up we were talking about. Also remember when was Yeshua compassionate? And this is something that people don't read the Bible and see it. He most of the time when you read, he was not a nice guy. He was slapping somebody, whether it's the Pharisees because of their arrogance and their trying to supersede their way over the way of the Father, or people who are cognitively thinking things in the natural, slapping Peter.
with his good intentions we will not let you die in Jerusalem after he says I'm going to be crucified. says get behind me Satan. That wasn't very nice. And then when his disciples he says beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and they said it's because we forgot bread and he says are you still so stupid? That's the word in Greek, stupid. Are you still so stupid? He's constantly giving rebuke for foolish carnal thinking but
David Doty (01:13:46.157)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (01:13:56.056)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Michael (01:14:05.982)
When did he actually have nice, compassionate ways? For those who came running to him saying, son of David, have mercy upon us, falling to their knees, crying out, and that's when you see the real mercy of God, because now you're fully emptying yourself and totally submitting to him, not coming with anything of your way, that's what, observe it, go back and read the scriptures and watch and see his behavior, how he handles the different people, when, who, what.
David Doty (01:14:13.068)
Have mercy.
David Doty (01:14:28.984)
You're right. You're right.
Michael (01:14:35.464)
And why does he do it though?
David Doty (01:14:38.07)
It's absolutely it's it's when it's when the people were crying out have mercy on us. He had compassion on them What would you like me to do for you? Lord that we would receive our sight or You know the one time that is the other time that I can think of is John 11 And I need to go back and see if the word compassion is actually used there or not But when Lazarus had died and he went and he's when he met with Martha and Mary individually
Michael (01:14:42.496)
That's right.
Michael (01:14:45.92)
There you go.
David Doty (01:15:07.502)
And I think it was Mary who met him second and said, if you had been here, because they both said to him the same thing. If you had been here, my brother would be living or he would not have died. And I think it was when, when he met Mary that he wept that he had compassion, but it says that he was deeply moved. Like, and in the Greek, the word is like angry. So that's, that's a whole other conversation, but.
Very interesting. Very interesting. We are well over time. And man, I love these conversations. I wish I didn't have like other work to do.
Michael (01:15:49.908)
think each one is sufficient for the people. Let them digest this and we'll move on to the next thing.
David Doty (01:15:56.428)
Yeah, absolutely. We should start doing some live streams and talk about whether or not we want to do this at the same time or if we needed to move it to a different time that might be more accessible for other people so that we can stream and have people ask questions. Because I think a lot of people are going to have a lot of questions, especially when you open up new perspectives. I know I've been fortunate to have many of these conversations with you over the years and it's helped me grow tremendously.
Michael (01:16:17.962)
Mm-hmm.
David Doty (01:16:26.474)
And, you know, the goal would be to create access for as many people as possible to really interact with the truth and have some real difficult conversations that will lead to actual growth. We're talking about fruit, eternal impact, contributions to the kingdom of heaven.
Michael (01:16:47.676)
to do whatever we can do, I'm for it.
David Doty (01:16:51.244)
Amen. Well, God bless you, brother. It's good. Good talking as always.
Michael (01:16:59.296)
you too.
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