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  • Ep 40 - Beyond Soundbites: From Case Studies To Client Stories

    Self-promotion can feel uncomfortable—especially for introverted, thoughtful, or reserved Thinkydoers. But what if sharing your impact didn’t have to feel like cringey “bragging?”

    In this episode, client experience copywriter and founder of The Content Witches, Nailah King, joins host Sara Lobkovich to explore how to craft authentic client stories that go beyond traditional case studies. Nailah shares practical strategies for telling compelling stories that showcase your work—even when your impact isn’t easily measured in revenue or metrics.

    Learn how to manage rejection sensitivity and build confidence in sharing your work stories; and, how to create marketing materials that align with your values instead of squeezing your unique approach into conventional formats.

    Episode Highlights:
    • Why traditional case studies don’t work for every business and how to tell client stories differently
    • Strategies for showcasing your impact without relying on revenue-based metrics
    • Managing rejection sensitivity and building confidence in sharing your work
    • How introverted and low-energy Thinkydoers can approach self-promotion authentically
    • Aligning your marketing materials with your values instead of forcing them into conventional formats
    • Practical storytelling techniques to make your work more visible and engaging
    • The emotional side of marketing—navigating vulnerability, rejection, and self-doubt
    • Nailah’s personal journey and lessons learned from working with values-driven clients
    • First steps to crafting client stories that feel natural, honest, and impactful

    Key Concepts Explored:
    • Authentic Storytelling & Client Impact
    • Why traditional case studies don’t work for every business and how to create meaningful client stories
    • Strategies for showcasing impact without relying on revenue-based metrics
    • The power of storytelling to make your work more visible and engaging
    • Self-Promotion for Introverts & Low-Energy Thinkydoers
    • How to market yourself authentically without feeling like you’re bragging
    • Overcoming the fear of visibility and rejection sensitivity
    • Values-Aligned Marketing & Ethical Storytelling
    • Creating marketing materials that reflect your values rather than fitting into conventional formats
    • The emotional side of sharing your work—navigating vulnerability, self-doubt, and rejection
    • How ethical storytelling can help build stronger client relationships and trust
    • Building Confidence & Overcoming Rejection Sensitivity
    • Understanding rejection sensitivity and how it affects self-promotion
    • Strategies for developing confidence in sharing your work and experiences
    • First steps to telling client stories in a way that feels natural and impactful

    Notable Quotes: "I don't get to tell you what you found valuable at the end of the day. I can ask questions that help you explore that, but I don't get to determine the most important feature or experience that you had with us working together." - Nailah King (00:05:00)"Not all of us have work that fits into soundbites and all the attention is paid to getting us to squeeze our work into soundbites." - Sara Lobkovich (00:16:00) "Honor your energetics, honor your process, honor the format. If it's accessible to you, hire someone. If not, there are ways to do this work that are just easier. But you don't have to miss out, and you don't have to feel excluded. These stories are for us as well." - Nailah King (00:43:00)Chapters:

    [00:00:00] Welcome to Thinkydoers podcast and introduction

    [00:01:00] Introduction to Nailah King and why Sara invited her on the podcast

    [00:03:00] Book launch announcement for You Are A Strategist

    [00:04:00] Nailah introduces herself and her work

    [00:05:00] How Nailah's approach differs from traditional case studies

    [00:09:00] The importance of centering the client's experience in storytelling

    [00:12:00] Balancing values-based work with business needs

    [00:17:00] Addressing struggles with talking about oneself and one's impact

    [00:21:00] Switching from teaching mode to emotional storytelling

    [00:24:00] Overcoming shyness when approaching clients for stories

    [00:28:00] Tips for handling rejection sensitivity

    [00:35:00] How Nailah creates safe spaces for client interviews

    [00:41:00] Key takeaways for introverts and Thinkydoers

    Guest Information:

    Nailah King is a copywriter who specializes in client storytelling, particularly for thoughtful and introspective professionals who prefer a more authentic and less high-pressure approach to marketing. She focuses on crafting case studies that feel more like engaging client narratives rather than dry testimonials.

    Nailah’s Resources Mentioned:
    • Website: www.thecontentwitches.ca
    • Threads: @nailah.z.king
    • Instagram: @nailah.z.king
    • BlueSky: @nailahkingwrites.bsky.social
    • LinkedIn: The Content Witches

    A shout-out to Sarah Moon & Co, who brought Nailah and I together:
    • Sarah Moon Consulting website
    • And here’s the client story that Nailah wrote with Sara L, for Sarah M!

    Sara’s Links and Resources:
    • Join Sara’s Email List: Get updates on OKRs, strategy, and workplace wellbeing and performance at ck.redcurrantco.com
    • Book Website: Now available! Learn more abpit You Are a Strategist at youareastrategist.com
    • Book launch squad:  findrc.co/launchsquad
    • Connect with Sara via LinkedIn, Bluesky, Threads, or Mastodon
    • Podcast Home Page: Thinkydoers Podcast

    Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers !

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    43 min
  • Ep 39 - Generative AI: Practical Strategies for Thinkydoers with Guest Dvorah Graeser

    AI is transforming the way we work—but how can Thinkydoers use generative AI responsively and productively—as a tool, not a time-suck?

    In part two of our conversation with AI ethicist and strategist Dvorah Graeser, we get practical about leveraging AI tools, particularly for deep specialists and strategic thinkers. Building on our discussion of ethics and implications from Episode 38, Dvorah shares specific ways to move from anxiety to agency with AI while maintaining your ethics and humanity. Learn how to use AI tools to organize your thoughts, improve communication with different audiences, and enhance your work as a specialist, all while preserving what makes us uniquely human.

    Episode Highlights:
    • How AI can help specialists move from anxiety to agency and practical ways to embrace AI tools with confidence
    • Using AI to organize complex ideas and turn scattered thoughts into structured outlines
    • The power of AI iteration and dialogue to refine thinking, decision-making, and communication
    • Fact-checking and avoiding AI hallucinations with tools like Perplexity AI and multi-tool validation
    • Enhancing communication for deep specialists by adapting messaging for different audiences, including neurodivergent thinkers and general business professionals
    • Leveraging AI for buyer personas and using marketing strategies to improve AI-generated content and audience targeting
    • AI as an assistive tool for neurodivergence and how it supports executive functioning challenges and workflow efficiency
    • Emotional processing and AI as a tool for self-reflection while recognizing its limitations in mental health support
    • First steps to overcoming AI anxiety and why understanding your emotional response to AI is crucial before integrating it into your workflow
    • Resources and further learning, including Dvorah’s free PDF on emotions in AI and an invitation to submit questions for future discussions

    Key Concepts Explored:

    AI for Organization & Creativity

    • How AI helps specialists structure ideas and overcome creative overwhelm
    • The role of AI in iterative thinking and refining communication
    • AI’s effectiveness in summarizing, outlining, and organizing complex information

    AI Accuracy & Fact-Checking

    • Strategies for verifying AI-generated content and reducing hallucinations
    • Using multi-tool validation with AI models like Perplexity AI and Claude
    • Limitations of AI in handling data accuracy and research citations

    AI for Specialists & Communication

    • How AI helps deep specialists communicate with broader audiences
    • Leveraging buyer personas to tailor AI-generated messaging
    • Using AI to bridge communication gaps between neurodivergent and neurotypical audiences

    AI for Neurodivergent Thinkers

    • AI as an adaptive tool for executive function and workflow management
    • The role of AI in supporting focus, organization, and stress reduction
    • Ethical considerations of AI in self-reflection and emotional regulation

    Overcoming AI Anxiety & Ethical Adoption

    • The shift from AI anxiety to AI agency and practical steps for confident adoption
    • The importance of emotional awareness in integrating AI into personal and professional workflows
    • Resources for understanding the emotional impact of AI and strategies for responsible use

    Episode Chapters:

    00:00 Introduction to Thinkydoers Podcast and Episode Overview

    01:00 From AI Anxiety to AI Agency – How Specialists Can Take Control

    02:00 Organizing Chaotic Thoughts with AI – Turning Sticky Notes into Structure

    04:00 The Power of Iteration – Using AI for Back-and-Forth Thinking

    05:00 AI Hallucinations and Fact-Checking – Ensuring Accuracy in AI-Generated Content

    07:00 The Role of Multi-Tool AI Validation – Using Perplexity AI, Claude, and ChatGPT Together

    09:00 AI for Deep Specialists – Making Complex Knowledge Accessible to a Broader Audience

    10:00 Leveraging AI for Buyer Personas – Adapting Communication for Different Audiences

    12:00 AI as an Assistive Tool for Neurodivergent Thinkers – Supporting Executive Function

    14:00 Emotional Processing with AI – AI as a Thought Partner for Self-Reflection

    17:00 Ethical Considerations – AI as a Probability Machine vs. a Reliable Support System

    19:00 Overcoming AI Anxiety – The Importance of Emotional Awareness in AI Adoption

    20:00 Resources & Further Learning – Dvorah’s PDF on Emotions in AI & Q&A Invitation

    21:00 Where to Find Dvorah – Connecting on LinkedIn and Exploring Future Discussions

    22:00 Closing Remarks – Encouraging Listeners to Submit AI-Related Questions

    Notable Quotes"They don’t replace the human brain, but they are really good at organizing big messes of information." – Sara Lobkovich (00:04:00)"If you have a multi-tool process and you leverage the strengths of one tool to shore up the weaknesses of another tool, then you can save a lot of time, but also a lot of mental energy." – Dvorah Graeser (00:06:00)"As a place to start, I would actually begin by looking at how I feel about AI. I actually had to do that. I had to get emotional about AI before I could use it well. And it's simply because it is a very different tool. It is not going to do what you always expect. And so, for that reason, you need to get your own emotional house in order with it before you can start using it." – Dvorah Graeser (00:20:00)Guest Information

    Dvorah Graeser is an AI ethicist, strategist, and technology entrepreneur specializing in AI applications, intellectual property, and ethical AI adoption. With a background in intellectual property law and technology commercialization, she has extensive experience helping deep specialists and businesses integrate AI responsibly. Dvorah advocates for leveraging AI to enhance human creativity and strategic thinking while addressing challenges like AI hallucinations and fact-checking. Based in the Netherlands, she works with organizations to navigate the evolving AI landscape with a focus on ethical and effective implementation.

    Dvorah’s Resources Mentioned:
    • Dvorah's Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/dgraeser
    • Snag Dvorah’s Three-Page AI Transformation Blueprint: https://findrc.co/genaibydg
    • Websites: kisspatent.com, rocketsmart.io

    Sara's Links and Resources:
    • Newsletter: findrc.co/newsletter
    • Contact: findrc.co/contact
    • Social media: @saralobkovich on most platforms
    • Show notes: findrc.co/thinkydoers
    • Book launch squad:  findrc.co/launchsquad

    Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    27 min
  • Ep 38 - Generative AI and the Future of Work for Thinkydoers

    Are you wrestling with ethical questions about AI while also feeling curious about its potential?

    In this thought-provoking episode, Sara welcomes Dvorah Graeser, an "old internet" technologist who brings a unique perspective on AI democratization. From programming for the Human Genome Project to founding RocketSmart, Dvorah shares insights on how we can approach AI with both skepticism and agency.

    Discover why those who shy away from AI might be surrendering power to tech giants, and learn practical considerations for responsibly engaging with generative AI tools in your work.

    Episode Highlights:
    • Dvorah's background programming before the GUI and her journey from the Human Genome Project to AI development
    • The ethical considerations of generative AI and how to navigate them as business owners and creators
    • How to evaluate AI models based on their transparency, data policies, and public commitments
    • The democratization of technology and why bottom-up AI adoption benefits everyone
    • Why small businesses might leapfrog large corporations with open-source AI models like DeepSeek
    • How generative AI affects workplace satisfaction differently across roles and experience levels
    • Practical advice for protecting your intellectual property in an AI-driven world

    Key Concepts Explored:

    AI Ethics & Transparency

    • Role of AI in data analytics and predictive modeling
    • AI as an enabler vs. driver of outcomes
    • Practical applications in OKR workshops
    • Limitations and considerations

    Generative AI for Work

    • The role of AI in automating tasks vs. augmenting human work
    • AI as an enabler vs. a driver of outcomes
    • Practical applications of AI in different industries

    Small Business vs. Big Tech

    • Can AI level the playing field for solopreneurs and startups?
    • How large corporations control AI access and development
    • Opportunities for smaller businesses to leverage AI effectively

    AI for Strategy & Execution

    • Integrating AI into decision-making without losing human creativity
    • Using AI for data analytics and predictive modeling
    • Limitations and considerations for AI in strategic planning

    Episode Chapters:

    [00:00:00] Introduction: Welcome to Thinkydoers and introduction to Dvorah Graeser

    [00:03:00] Dvorah's background: From programming before GUI to AI development

    [00:05:00] Ethics of generative AI: The challenge of retrofitting ethics

    [00:08:00] Choosing trustworthy AI models: Evaluating data policies and transparency

    [00:10:00] Democratizing technology: The historical context and importance

    [00:14:00] Advice for Thinkydoer leaders: Focus on process integration

    [00:17:00] IP concerns for creators and business owners: Strategies and policies

    [00:20:00] AI and the future of work: Research on workplace satisfaction

    [00:25:00] The potential of open-source models like DeepSeek for small businesses

    [00:29:00] Individual action: How to participate in shaping ethical AI

    Notable Quotes"If a company is using AI in a way you don’t like, let them know—preferably on social media, so others can join the conversation." – Dvorah Graeser (00:31:00) "Generative AI is more about curation than creation. It gives you 100 ideas, but you still need the expertise to pick the right one." – Dvorah Graeser (00:22:00) "Most small businesses don’t need the latest AI model. They need AI that works with their data and processes." – Dvorah Graeser (00:26:00) "AI isn’t just a tool for big corporations. Small businesses that use AI strategically can be more agile and outmaneuver larger companies." – Dvorah Graeser (00:28:00) Guest Information

    Dvorah Graeser is the founder and CEO of RocketSmart, specializing in AI, intellectual property, and technology commercialization. With a background in pharmacology, AI programming, and U.S. patent law, she has worked on projects like the Human Genome Project and now advocates for AI ethics and democratization. Based in the Netherlands and Chicago, Dvorah helps businesses and universities navigate the evolving AI landscape.

    Dvorah’s Resources Mentioned:

    Dvorah's Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/dgraeser

    Snag Dvorah’s Three-Page AI Transformation Blueprint: https://findrc.co/genaibydg

    Websites: kisspatent.com, rocketsmart.io

    Sara's Links and Resources:

    Newsletter: findrc.co/newsletter

    Contact: findrc.co/contact

    Social media: @saralobkovich on most platforms

    Show notes: findrc.co/thinkydoers

    Book launch squad:  findrc.co/launchsquad

    Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    36 min
  • Ep 37 - OKR Forecast 2025: Insights From The Experts

    What’s next for OKRs in 2025?

    As goal-setting evolves, organizations are rethinking their approach to strategy, execution, and performance. In this episode, Sara sits down with OKR experts Natalie Webb and Maria Rowcliffe to unpack the latest trends—from the role of generative AI to the shifting landscape of OKR localization and performance management. Whether you’re an OKR veteran or just getting started, these insights will help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Episode Highlights:
    • How generative AI is reshaping OKR creation and workshop efficiency
    • The shift away from rigid OKR cascading toward functional team-level alignment
    • Why OKRs should not be directly tied to performance evaluations or compensation
    • The biggest mistakes organizations make when implementing OKRs—and how to avoid them
    • The evolving role of OKRs in strategy execution and business impact
    • What to expect from the future of OKRs in 2025 and beyond

    Key Concepts Explored:

    Generative AI in OKR Practice

    • Role of AI in data analytics and predictive modeling
    • AI as an enabler vs. driver of outcomes
    • Practical applications in OKR workshops
    • Limitations and considerations

    Modern OKR Localization

    • Shift from cascading to hybrid approaches
    • L1-L2 alignment strategies
    • Bottom-up contribution methods
    • Functional team focus

    OKR Integration

    • Separation of delivery work and outcomes
    • Project management integration
    • Performance management considerations
    • Leading indicator identification

    Implementation Strategy

    • Starting points for organizations
    • Common pitfalls to avoid
    • Methodology vs. tool selection
    • Change management considerations

    Episode Chapters

    [00:00:00] Introduction and welcome

    [00:01:00] Book announcement: You Are a Strategist

    [00:04:00] Guest introductions

    [00:08:00] Generative AI's impact on OKRs

    [00:17:00] Using AI tools in OKR workshops

    [00:21:00] Evolution of OKR localization

    [00:33:00] Discussion of individual KRs

    [00:41:00] OKRs and performance management

    [00:47:00] First steps for OKR implementation

    Notable Quotes "Generative AI is an enabler, not a driver. It’s a tool that supports goal-setting, but the real work still comes down to humans collaborating, making great decisions, and executing." – Maria Rowcliffe"If we set our OKRs well, teams should feel empowered to say no to work that doesn’t align. Prioritization isn’t real unless it hurts." – Natalie Webb"One of the hardest parts of OKR creation is identifying leading indicators. AI can help generate ideas, but the real challenge is getting teams to think beyond the obvious KPIs." – Maria Rowcliffe"Not everyone needs their name on a Key Result. This isn’t a participation trophy—what matters is understanding how the work contributes to the bigger strategy." – Natalie Webb"If you tie OKRs directly to performance evaluations, you create a system where people set safe goals instead of ambitious ones. That’s not what OKRs are meant to do." – Sara LobkovichGuest Information:

    Natalie Webb is an OKR expert with nearly eight years of experience in the field. She currently works with Aramco in Saudi Arabia, supporting their digital transformation and AI initiatives. Natalie specializes in helping organizations implement effective OKRs that drive real business impact.

    Maria Rowcliffe is an organizational behavior specialist with over 30 years of experience in management and strategy execution. Passionate about how organizations and people achieve success, she has worked extensively with OKRs and other strategic frameworks to help businesses align goals and improve execution.

    Natalie’s & Maria’s Resources:
    • Website: Tability OKR Platform – A tool for OKR tracking and goal management
    • OKR Creation Tools: Claude and ChatGPT – Used for generating OKR drafts and refining goals

    Sara’s Links and Resources:
    • No-BS Strategic Achievement Intensive: Learn more and join at ck.redcurrantco.com
    • Join Sara’s Email List: Get updates on OKRs and strategy at ck.redcurrantco.com
    • Book Website: Stay updated on You Are a Strategist at youareastrategist.com
    • Podcast Home Page: Thinkydoers Podcast

    Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    54 min
  • Ep 36 - Can EOS and OKRs Work Together? Bridging Vision and Execution With Expert Jessica Lee

    What happens when two powerhouse frameworks collide?

    In this episode, Sara dives into a fascinating conversation with Jessica Lee, exploring the dynamic intersection of EOS® (Entrepreneurial Operating System®) and OKRs (Objectives and Key Results) in business management. As both an EOS integrator and an OKR coach, Jessica shares her unique expertise, offering actionable insights into how these two frameworks can work in harmony to help organizations not just survive but truly thrive.

    Episode Highlights:
    • The complementary relationship between EOS and OKRs in business management
    • Understanding the crucial visionary-integrator dynamic in leadership
    • How EOS provides structure for businesses ready to scale
    • The importance of proper goal-setting and measurement systems
    • Role definition and its impact on organizational success
    • The value of coaching in implementation of both frameworks

    Key Concepts Explored:

    EOS Framework Components

    • Vision Traction Organizer (VTO)
    • Rocks and Measurables
    • People Analyzer
    • Accountability Chart
    • L10 Meetings

    Leadership Dynamics

    • Visionary (CEO) role and characteristics
    • Integrator role and responsibilities
    • Creating effective partnership between both roles

    Goal Setting and Measurement

    • Integration of EOS rocks with OKR methodology
    • Importance of measurable outcomes
    • Balance between vision and execution

    Organizational Structure

    • Role definition before performance evaluation
    • Right people in right seats concept
    • Simplified organizational structure approach

    Episode Chapters

    [00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoers Podcast

    [00:58] Live from the Race Trailer

    [02:16] Guest Introduction: Jessica Lee

    [03:06] Understanding EOS and OKRs

    [04:40] Implementing EOS in Small Businesses

    [13:55] The Role of the Integrator

    [20:31] Accountability and Goal Setting

    [26:57] Conclusion and Farewell

    Notable Quotes:"Having a shared vocabulary and shared words and meanings within an organization could probably alleviate 75 percent of conflict that happens in businesses." - Sara Lobkovich"Find out what matters to your people. That’s how you’re going to get the most out of the people you have." - Jessica Lee"What I learned from OKR coaching was that staying quiet and letting someone else reach the answer can be the hardest—and most impactful—work." - Jessica Lee"Research shows that we will dramatically overestimate what we think we could do in a short amount of time, but we will grossly underestimate what we could do in a larger amount of time." - Jessica LeeGuest Information: 

    Jessica Lee owns Optimized Execs, a business consulting firm helping CEOs of small and medium-sized businesses who feel overwhelmed and unsure about growth strategies. Her experience includes serving as a COO and implementing EOS in various organizations.

    Jessica's Resources Mentioned:
    • Book: "Traction" by Gino Wickman
    • Book: "Rocket Fuel" (focused on visionary-integrator relationship)
    • Website: www.optimizedexecs.com
    • LinkedIn: Jessica Lee
    • Website: www.optimizedexecs.com

    Sara's Links and Resources:
    • Join Sara's Email Newsletter: https://findrc.co/4asU5wo
    • Email Sara at [email protected]
    • Other Free No-BS OKRs Resources: Access all free resources
    • Thinkydoers (not-just-an OKR podcast) Home Page: https://saralobkovich.com/thinkydoers-pod
    • Visit https://ck.redcurrantco.com to join the newsletter for additional resources and early access to new tools.

    Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    31 min
  • Ep 35 - SMART Goals vs. KPIs vs. OKRs: What's the Difference?

    Ever feel lost in the alphabet soup of goal-setting frameworks?

    Whether you're a leader, a coach, or a goal-setting enthusiast, navigating between SMART goals, KPIs, OKRs, and other frameworks can feel overwhelming.

    In this episode, Sara Lobkovich – strategist, OKR coach, and nationally board-certified health and wellness coach (with “another life” in professional motorcycle road racing) – gives you the inside scoop on the most popular frameworks. Through easy-to-understand examples from the worlds of health and sports, Sara breaks down when and how to use each framework to drive success.

    You'll leave with a clear understanding of what each framework truly means, how they differ, and which one to use to turbocharge your personal or professional goals.

    Want to watch the full-length replay of the Live this episode is drawn from? It’s on YouTube!

    Episode Highlights:
    • Clear explanation of Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) and why they're indicators, not goals
    • Deep dive into SMART goals and their practical applications
    • How OKRs differ from other frameworks for handling uncertainty and innovation
    • Understanding mandatory vs. stretch goals
    • Real-world examples using health and sports metrics
    • Introduction to additional frameworks like BSC (Balanced Scorecard) and ROB (Rhythm of Business)

    Key Concepts Covered:
    • Activity Goals vs. Outcome Goals
    • KPIs as health indicators for your business
    • The limitations of SMART goals
    • When and how to use mandatory goals
    • The power of OKRs for uncertain territory
    • Building a holistic performance dashboard
    • Creating effective rhythms of business

    Episode Chapters

    [00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoer Shorts

    [00:43] Sara's Dual Life: Business and Racing

    [01:12] Goal Fridays and Live Replays

    [02:59] Decoding Goal-Setting Acronyms

    [07:38] Activity Goals: The Basics

    [09:02] KPIs: Key Performance Indicators (and KPIs vs. OKRs)

    [11:32] SMART Goals: Specific and Measurable

    [15:52] Mandatory Goals vs. Stretch Goals

    [18:20] OKRs and Other Goal-Setting Frameworks

    Notable Quotes:"KPIs are indicators, not goals - it's right there in the name." "SMART goals are helpful because they are specific. They do give us something to aim for.   The challenge with SMART goals, and we're going to talk about mandatories in just a minute, is with SMART goals, It's a little too easy to set that goal and then have our all-or-nothing thinking take over with our behavior."" And quantifying activity is great. It gives you that clarity when what's important is that you do something a certain number of times. But doing something a certain number of times won't necessarily yield the outcome you need.""The Objective is like a tiny love letter from your idealistic 'you' to your future 'you' that's going to get frustrated and challenged.""Your Rhythm of Business (ROB) is all of the things that make up the culture of performance in your work. [...]Your Rhythm of Business is really your culture. It's your meetings, yes, it's also your communication norms, your asynchronous communication norms, your habits. Your rhythms for learning and feedback, your ways of recognizing each other and what cadence that's on."Resources Mentioned:
    • Get the No-BS OKRs Workbook ($19): https://saralobkovich.com/no-bs-okrs-workbook-pdf
    • Info about the upcoming print version of the No-BS OKRs Workbook & Sara's forthcoming book: "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS Objectives and Key Results to Get Big Things Done" is available at https://youareastrategist.com 
    • Other Free No-BS OKRs Resources: Access all free resources
    • Thinkydoers (not-just-an OKR podcast) Home Page: https://saralobkovich.com/thinkydoers-pod

    Connect with Sara:
    • Newsletter: findrc.co/newsletter
    • Contact: findrc.co/contact
    • Email Sara at [email protected]
    • Social Media: @saralobkovich most everywhere!

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    33 min
  • Ep 34: Why You Shouldn't Start with an OKR Tool (Yet)

    Thinking about implementing OKRs? Your first instinct might be to shop for an OKR tool - but that could be setting yourself up for failure. In this candid Thinkydoers Short, strategy coach Sara Lobkovich explains why starting with software often backfires, and shares a proven alternative with a methodology-focused approach that will set your organization up for long-term OKR success.

    Episode Highlights:
    • Common pitfalls of taking a tool-first approach to OKR implementation
    • Why methodology must come before software
    • How to track OKRs effectively without specialized tools
    • A practical timeline for OKR implementation that sets you up for success
    • Signs that your organization is actually ready for an OKR tool

    Key Takeaways:
    • Tools alone don't solve the core challenges of implementing OKRs
    • Start with company-level OKRs and establish strong methodology before scaling
    • Simple tracking methods like spreadsheets can work well in early stages
    • Let organizational demand drive tool adoption rather than forcing it
    • Focus on behavior change and culture shifts before investing in software

    Notable Quotes:“ People need an OKR process that isn't yucky. If it's yucky, then they're going to do all sorts of work for a process that might generate a pretty dashboard for the leaders. But we want people to love our OKR implementations. We want people -- not just leaders -- to see the benefit of OKR implementations.”"We want to focus on Objectives and Key Results as continuous learning, and we want to keep our tools and ops simple.""We let folks struggle until they're suffering with the lack of software, and then that makes our software adoption so much more successful.""What's ultimately most important is that leaders need objective information to make decisions."Episode Chapters:

    [00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoer Shorts

    [00:43] Sara's Dual Life: Business and Racing

    [01:12] Goal Fridays and Live Replays

    [02:59] Decoding Goal-Setting Acronyms

    [07:38] Activity Goals: The Basics

    [09:02] KPIs: Key Performance Indicators (and KPIs vs. OKRs)

    [11:32] SMART Goals: Specific and Measurable

    [15:52] Mandatory Goals vs. Stretch Goals

    [18:20] OKRs and Other Goal-Setting Frameworks

    Resources Mentioned:
    • Get the No-BS OKRs Workbook ($19): https://saralobkovich.com/no-bs-okrs-workbook-pdf
    • Info about the upcoming print version of the No-BS OKRs Workbook & Sara's forthcoming book: "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS Objectives and Key Results to Get Big Things Done" is available at https://youareastrategist.com 
    • Other Free No-BS OKRs Resources: Access all free resources
    • Thinkydoers (not-just-an OKR podcast) Home Page: https://saralobkovich.com/thinkydoers-pod

    Connect with Sara:
    • Newsletter: findrc.co/newsletter
    • Contact: findrc.co/contact
    • Email Sara at [email protected]
    • Social Media: @saralobkovich most everywhere!

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    34 min
  • Ep 33 - Sneak Peek of My Upcoming Book: You Are A Strategist (not just an OKRs book)

    Ever feel like you're speaking a different language than your colleagues when presenting your ideas? Or, like a square peg in your work? Do you feel like you're trying to read minds to understand what's expected of you, while your co-workers are just humming along doing their work? 

    Or, do you lead people who that describes well?

    In this powerful episode, Sara Lobkovich reveals why the very qualities that might make some people feel like an outsider at work—being "too analytical" or "too detail-oriented"—could actually be their greatest strategic strengths (and a tremendous asset to the organizations they work within).

    In today's Thinkydoers short, hear a preview of the Introduction to Sara's upcoming book: 

    You Are A Strategist: Use No-BS Objectives and Key Results to Get Big Things Done

    "You Are A Strategist" isn't just another theoretical strategy book. It's a practical playbook for people who think differently about work and want to make real change happen. Through frameworks like the Connected Strategic One-Pager and No-BS OKRs, you'll discover how to transform your strategic insights into clear, compelling direction that others can actually follow, without getting lost in politics or burning out.

    Drawing from her experience training over 2,000 OKR coaches across more than 300 organizations globally, Sara shares a human-centered approach to strategy that works for everyone—not just those with traditional business backgrounds or positions of power. Whether you're in the C-Suite, a chief of staff, a program manager, a product manager, a project lead, department director, or high-performing individual contributor (or beyond!), this episode will help you unlock your inner strategist and make your unique impact.

    Episode Highlights:
    • Why being "strategic" isn't about being smart or having a specific job title
    • The five key questions that identify strategic thinkers
    • How to recognize and empower strategic thinkers in your organization
    • Why ideas alone aren't enough in today's business environment
    • Introduction to Connected Strategic One-sheet and No-BS OKRs
    • The science behind goal-setting and motivation

    Episode Chapters:

    [00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoer Shorts

    [00:39] Introduction to You Are A Strategist

    [01:28] Dedication and Audience

    [01:53] Identifying Strategists

    [02:25] Challenges and Misconceptions

    [04:29] Defining Strategy and Strategists

    [10:17] The Role of Ideas in Strategy

    [12:18] Implementing Strategic Goals

    [19:39] The Connected Strategic One Sheet and No BS OKRs

    [26:57] Conclusion and Next Steps

    Notable Quotes:[00:05:00] "The job isn't to convince people that you're a smart person; it's to clarify situations so everyone can do the smart thing." (Referencing a quote by Rob Estreitinho of Salmon Labs)[00:07:00] "If you read books and research papers for fun and delight in spotting ways that wildly disparate information connects to create new ideas and approaches, that might be you."[00:09:00] "Good strategy makes the work better, but you don't see the strategy itself. The strategy is the scaffolding that the stuff you ultimately see rests on."[00:12:00] "If anyone is to have any hope of solving the major organizational, cultural, and existential problems we all face together today, insightful, curious, linky brains are an asset."[00:16:00] "In today's market and work world, every person can operate strategically, no matter how senior or tactical your role. Strategy is clear expectations."[00:24:00] "Strategy achievement, at its core, is human behavior change. Psychological research in the motivation sciences fields shows that human behavior change relies heavily on the creation of specific, actionable goals and a learning-focused approach."Key Takeaways:
    • Strategy is about clarifying situations so everyone can do the smart thing
    • Strategic thinking is independent of job title or role
    • Good strategy makes work better but often remains invisible
    • Clear expectations and empirical measurements are crucial for success
    • Strategy achievement is fundamentally about human behavior change

    Resources Mentioned:
    • You Are A Strategist book: youareastrategist.com
    • No-BS OKRs Workbook (PDF download): https://findrc.co/4ggdAtz
    • Newsletter signup: findrc.co/newsletter

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    31 min
  • Ep 32 - Executing Under Pressure: High Stakes, High Performance, With Pro Racer and Firefighter Jayson Uribe

    What does it take to perform at the absolute limit, every time you show up to work?

    How do you navigate your own chemisty, and both objective and perceived risk when lives are actually on the line?

    Find out in this conversation with professional motorcycle road racer, firefighter, and business owner, Jayson Uribe. 

    Jay and I work together in our moto lives -- he's one of the pro riders that I really enjoy working with in my capacity as a team principal for CW Moto Racing. In addition to being a very skilled, highly capable and accomplished rider in a sport where the rider is ultimately the one who goes out there and twists the throttle, Jayson's life and career have given him a unique perspective on teamwork that makes him truly fun to work with. He's also a talented development rider: his ability to give us technical information about his experience on track not only makes it possible for us to improve the bike for him; it also helps us improve our equipment for all of our riders.

    Jayson agreed to join me for a peek inside his brain, to hear more about his experiences with balancing technical precision and emotional awareness in high-stakes environments. From his morning pre-race routines to his approach to failure and risk management, what he's learned about performing under pressure applies far beyond the racetrack or firehouse. Whether you're facing challenging decisions in your own work, managing teams through high-pressure situations, or simply curious about the psychology of peak performance, you'll find valuable insights in this conversation about what it really takes to execute at the highest level when it matters most.

    Episode Highlights:
    • The learnable balance between technical expertise and emotional regulation
    • Achieving and maintaining flow states in high-pressure situations
    • How morning routines and preparation impact performance
    • Managing failure and using setbacks as motivation
    • Risk mitigation and decision-making under pressure
    • Transferable skills between racing and firefighting
    • The myth of natural talent vs. practiced fundamentals

    Key Concepts Explored:
    • Flow state in high-performance environments
    • Technical precision under emotional stress
    • Risk assessment and management
    • Progressive goal-setting
    • Recovery and regulation techniques
    • Performance preparation routines

    Notable Quotes:"[High performance] is just perfect execution of fundamentals under stress. And the more perfect the execution, the better the outcome will be.""The best races are the ones you don't remember. When you're riding the bike you're almost so focused that everything else is a blur.""Being able to remove the emotional side of things... you got to lock into the moment of what you are there to do."Chapters:

    [00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoers Podcast

    [00:56] Current Events and Connecting with Listeners

    [04:05] Deep Dive: Jayson Uribe's Multifaceted Career

    [06:51] Balancing Emotions and Technical Precision

    [11:32] Goal-Setting and Performance Mindset

    [19:28] Lessons from Racing and Firefighting

    Guest Information:

    Jayson Uribe is a professional motorcycle racer with both international and U.S. national career experience. He currently races in MotoAmerica, the U.S. national road racing series (and, with us -- CW Moto, during the off-season in the CVMA series in California). He is also a firefighter, and founder of Code Three Consultations, specializing in automotive forensics and investigations. 

    Jayson's Contact Info:
    • Code Three Consultations: code3consultations.com
    • Connect with Jayson: Instagram @Jayson36uribe

    Sara's Links & Resources:
    • For a limited time: Schedule a 30-minute Connection Session with Sara (during Nov 2024): https://findrc.co/nov30min
    • CW Moto Racing on Instagram: @cw_moto
    • Sara's CW Moto email address: [email protected]
    • Join Sara's Email Newsletter: https://findrc.co/newsletter
    • Email Sara at [email protected]
    • Other Free No-BS OKRs Resources: Access all free resources
    • Thinkydoers (not-just-an OKR podcast) Home Page: https://saralobkovich.com/thinkydoers-pod

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    35 min
  • Ep 31 - Speed, Strategy, and Staying Unblocked: Leadership Lessons from Pro Motorsports & Beyond

    What can business leaders learn from the high-stakes world of professional motorsports?

    Find out, in this conversation between Thinkydoers host Sara Lobkovich (whose "other life" is in professional motorcycle road racing) and organizational change expert Jurriaan Kamer, co-author of "Formula X: How to Reach Extreme Acceleration in Your Organization" and his new release, "Unblock: Clear the Way for Results and Develop a Thriving Organization."

    We cover a lot of ground here -- from how pro racing teams approaches to goal clarity, mistake recovery, and rhythmic learning can transform your leadership practice, to creating blame-free cultures, and mastering the art of strategic alignment.

    In this lively and engaging conversation, you'll discover how racing's high-performance, high-stakes principles can accelerate your business performance—whether you're a motorsports fan or not.

    Episode Highlights:
    • Three core principles business can learn from racing teams:
    • Crystal-clear goals and their role in driving focus
    • Balanced autonomy and alignment in high-performing teams
    • Rhythmic learning: how racing teams turn every moment into an opportunity for improvement
    • Creating blame-free cultures in high-stakes environments
    • The power of "even over" statements in explicit prioritization
    • Decision-making frameworks: understanding "hats, haircuts, and tattoos"
    • How consent and choice drive organizational ownership

    Notable Quotes:"Failure avoidance is more dangerous than failure recovery." - Jurriaan Kamer"If you look at Formula 1 teams [...] execution is not 99% of the thing. They understand that everything they do is an opportunity to reflect and improve. These meetings, these rituals, are built into their cadence. It's not something somebody has to plan - it's just part of how they operate." - Jurriaan Kamer"If you try to convince a group of people, the first thing you need to do is not tell them why you think you're right, but ask them what they think is going to go wrong. And then you can start to build conviction together." - Jurriaan Kamer"We have to take a systemic perspective when things go wrong... As an outsider, you think 'Oh, this person needs to be fired, because they blew the chances of a victory.' Which is just very short-term focused because [mistakes] will repeat [themselves] if you don't understand all the factors that were at play." - Jurriaan KamerGuest Information: 

    Jurriaan Kamer is an organizational change expert based in the Netherlands and author of "Formula X: How to Reach Extreme Acceleration in Your Organization" and "Unblock." Drawing from his unique access to professional car-racing teams and extensive experience with self-managing organizations, he helps leaders worldwide create high-performing, adaptable organizations.

    Jurriaan's Resources Mentioned:
    • Formula X: How to Reach Extreme Acceleration in Your Organization (Book by Rini van Solingen and Jurriaan Kamer)
    • Unblock: Clear the Way for Results and Develop a Thriving Organization (Book by Jurriaan Kamer)
    • Website: jurriaankamer.com
    • Unblock book website: unblockbook.net

    Sara's Links and Resources:
    • Join this Fall's Goal Fridays free live series: https://findrc.co/goalfridays
    • Join Sara's Email Newsletter: https://findrc.co/newsletter
    • Email Sara at [email protected]
    • Other Free No-BS OKRs Resources: Access all free resources
    • Thinkydoers (not-just-an OKR podcast) Home Page: https://saralobkovich.com/thinkydoers-pod
    • Follow CW Moto Racing on Instagram: https://instagram.com/cw_moto

    Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers !

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Don't forget: Get your free No-BS OKRs Workbook or schedule a VIP Strategy Day!

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    Don't forget your free No-BS OKRs Workbook

    Before I let you go, I just wanna remind you, you can pick up your copy of "You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" at https://youareastrategist.com, and you'll get that free PDF of the "No-BS OKRs Workbook" when you purchase direct.

    Don't wanna DIY it? Book a VIP executive strategy day with me. They can be used one-on-one. It can be used to facilitate an in-person or remote event with your org. It can also be used for a keynote that inspires actual results for your upcoming event.
    Visit https://findrc.co/vipday for all the details.
    And from there you can book a free executive strategy intake call, or request a no meeting virtual consult. A VIP executive strategy day helps you unlock clarity, align quickly, and drive results in just one powerful day.

    48 min

About Thinkydoers®

From the publisher's feed

Thinkydoers®, hosted by Strategy Rebel and OKR Coach Sara Lobkovich, is a community for unconventional leaders, status-quo challengers, and workplace “square pegs.” Thinkydoers are individuals who navigate the journey from insight to idea, through the messy middle, seeking courage and confidence to bring their visions to life.