From the Wisdom, Love, and Beauty archives. A breath of fresh air, even if you listened to this one last year.

Sometimes we get lucky enough to experience a shocking moment when the great mystery confronts us so directly that we have to say, "This changes everything!" In this contemplation, we consider the nature of "this changes everything," how the dominant culture tries to keep those experiences at bay, and how we can begin to think about them with greater care—perhaps even begin to invite them in.

Our guide is Dr. Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer. We reflected on some of her work in our very first episode this year, the one on Apocalyptic LoveWisdom. Her experiences and ideas came up again in a recent dialogue with the composer and jazz musician Carole Nelson. That dialogue is already available, and I promised to make this one available here as well. Enjoy!