Shane puts forth the question to Harry, "How do you justify making new things in a world that already has so much stuff?"

They discuss the motivations behind our work, concerns for longevity and repairability, and touch on the importance of finding ikigai. Harry has also been designing hedgehog homes, and Shane has waxed a household of furniture.

Harry discusses his path to understanding sharpness. Shane and Harry debate how best to teach a departure from “that’ll do”. Harry makes a highly complicated concertina workshop handout. Shane starts milling timber for his apothecary box.

Shane pitches to Harry what the hell the point of this podcast is. We talk about the importance of having a deeper understanding of crafts and materials and how they make us better people.

Harry talks about a shoji screen inspired door he just finished, and Shane is getting started on an 19th century Apothecary box.