The federal government shutdown is now in its fourth week. Over 700,000 federal employees have been furloughed, with nearly as many continuing to work without pay, yet there are still no signs that an end to the shutdown is near. "Unlike past presidents, Mr. Trump appears to feel little urgency to strike a deal to reopen the government," Luke Broadwater writes at The New York Times. "Instead, he has used the shutdown, which began Oct. 1, as an opportunity to further remake the federal bureaucracy and jettison programs he does not like, seizing on unorthodox budgetary maneuvers that some have called illegal." In this episode, we speak with three furloughed federal employees about the harm government shutdowns cause working people, and we discuss why this shutdown is different.

Guests:

• Adam is a furloughed federal employee who works in recreation for the US Forest Service, managing hiking, biking, and equestrian trails in central Idaho. He serves as chapter president of National Federation of Federal Employees Local 1753, and he is an organizer with the Federal Unionists Network.
• Ellen is a furloughed federal employee who works in SNAP oversight and administration at the USDA Food and Nutrition Service. She serves as chapter president of National Treasury Employees Union Local 255, representing FNS employees at the Northeast regional office, and she is an organizer with the Federal Unionists Network in Boston.
• April is a furloughed federal employee who works in the office of Head Start at the Administration for Children and Families HQ in Washington, DC. She serves as chapter president of the National Treasury Employees Union Local 250.

Additional links/info:

• Federal Unionists Network website, BlueSky, and Instagram
• Federal Unionists Network: "Join Us To Defend Public Services!"
• Luke Broadwater, The New York Times, "The Shutdown Is Stretching On. Trump Doesn't Seem to Mind."
• Democracy Now!, "Shadow president: Project 2025 architect Russell Vought is using shutdown to gut federal agencies"

Featured Music:

• Jules Taylor, "Working People" Theme Song

Credits:

• Featured music: Jules Taylor, "Working People" Theme Song
• Audio Post-Production: Alina Nehlich