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In the shadow of the federal occupation of Minneapolis and a year of catastrophic expansion of the carceral state, Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore about their concept of “the anti-state state,” the process of the state’s transition from supporting social welfare to policing its provision, and why abolition is the only way.

For further discussion of fascism and the anti-state state we recommend this week's patron episode with Alberto Toscano, which was directly spurred on by this episode with Ruthie and Craig. Link here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/late-fascism-w-150947880

Find Ruth WIlson Gilmore's book Abolition Geography here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839761713

Transcript: https://www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/anti-state-state-rwg

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Interstitial music by Artie

Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

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Beatrice speaks with Alberto Toscano about what characteristics second Trump term fascism shares—and doesn’t share—with prior historic formations of fascism, the driving concepts behind Make America Healthy Again that we at Death Panel have been calling “health fascism,” and Alberto’s 2023 book, Late Fascism: Race, Capitalism and the Politics of Crisis.

Find Alberto's book, Late Fascism, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839760204

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We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

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Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Beatrice Adler-Bolton, Silky Shah and Harsha Walia discuss the brutal enforcement of immigration policing in Minneapolis and beyond, and why resistance calls for the abolition of much more than ICE.

This episode was recorded live on February 12th 2026 in collaboration with Haymarket Books. You can watch the original livestream on youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9YJqx1zY2c

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Find Harsha Walia's book Border and Rule: Global Migration, Capitalism, and the Rise of Racist Nationalism here:

https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781642592696

Find Silky Shah's book Unbuild Walls: Why Immigrant Justice Needs Abolition here:

https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888900840

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Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/150271215

Beatrice speaks with Ayesha Siddiqi about “anti-aging” trends and longevity influencers as symptoms of imperial decline and the role the wellness industry has played in producing this moment of heightened fascism.

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We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

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Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

This episode was originally released December 1st for Death Panel patrons and is being unlocked today for the first time. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod

Beatrice speaks with Nate Holdren about why deportation is wrong, period, and about what we lose when we limit our demands to appeals about "legality."

This episode was recorded and released prior to the onset of "Operation Metro Surge" in Minneapolis but is being unlocked today as the discussion feels even more relevant following recent events. It was originally released under the title "Political Imagination and Appeals to the Law."

Find Nate's recent essays (mentioned at the top of the episode) here:

Hands Off! (Spectre Journal) - https://spectrejournal.com/hands-off/

Deportation is Wrong, Period (Little Village) - https://littlevillagemag.com/letter-to-the-editor-deportation-is-wrong-period/

FInd Nate's book, Injury Impoverished, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781108448666

Show links:

We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603

Interstitial music by Artie

Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/149776788

After a brief introduction on the ongoing situation in Minneapolis, Beatrice speaks with Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson about care work and parenting as part of abolitionist practice, lessons from integrating abolitionist values into everyday life, and how we show up for each other in dark times like these.

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Find Kim and Maya’s book, We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902554

We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

Show links:

Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Beatrice is joined by Melissa Gira Grant to discuss what’s happening on the ground in Minneapolis, the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti, and the broader currents of fascism nationally producing the context for the battle going on in the streets of the twin cities.

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Find Melissa's recent reporting on ICE in Minnesota in the New Republic here:

https://newrepublic.com/article/205199/renee-good-shooting-misogyny

https://newrepublic.com/article/204943/tim-walz-child-care-minnesota-fraud

Find frontline mutual aid and rent support fundraisers here:

http://standwithminnesota.com/

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Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603

Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/149118289

In the shadow of the federal occupation of Minneapolis and a year of catastrophic expansion of the carceral state, Beatrice speaks with Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Craig Gilmore about their concept of “the anti-state state,” the process of the state’s transition from supporting social welfare to policing its provision, and why abolition is the only way.

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We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

Show links:

Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod

Beatrice speaks with Jane Shi and Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha about their work organizing Crips for eSims for Gaza, a mutual aid project which has facilitated keeping countless people connected in Gaza over the past years of genocide and heightened blockade, and about lessons and legacies from Alice Wong, who cofounded the project with them.

Transcript: https://www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/crips4esims

Support Crips for eSims for Gaza here:

https://chuffed.org/project/crips-for-esims-for-gaza

And more on Crips for eSims here:

https://cripsforesimsforgaza.org/

https://disabilityvisibilityproject.com/2023/12/25/crips-for-esims-for-gaza/

After many, many requests we're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

Show links:

Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603

Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

Subscribe on Patreon and hear this week's full patron-exclusive episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/148612868

Beatrice speaks with Nate Holdren about how we approach the law in political struggle, the way legal framings create the bounds of “justifiable” violence, and why deportation is wrong no matter the legal status of the person detained. Presented today with an introduction on the ICE/CBP occupation of Minneapolis.

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We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

Show links:

Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523