Inside EMS

This isn’t your Facebook group’s EMS debate

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In this episode of Inside EMS, host Chris Cebollero sits down with Mic Gunderson, CEO of the Center for Systems Improvement and EMS Quality Academy; and editor‑in‑chief of the new peer-reviewed International Journal of Paramedicine, which launched in January 2023. Gunderson explains how the publication provides a forum for thoughtful debate around complex topics to be examined and analyzed. A recent issue, for example, touched on degree requirements for entry-level medics using the Socratic method to frame and manage the debate — a far cry from the horrors of a social post’s comment section.

Sprinkled with wit, respect and real curiosity, this episode is a masterclass in how EMS can grow — not just louder, but smarter. Whether you drive an ambulance, manage a system, or just care about the future of prehospital care, this conversation is worth your seat time.

Additional resources:

  • The International Journal of Paramedicine

  • Degrees, debate and direction: Why this debate deserves our attention

    Top quotes from Mic Gunderson
    • “Allow us to have enough maturity in our dialogue to say, ‘what's your logic or reasoning behind your opinion?’ instead of just saying, ‘I think the sky is blue.’ Tell me why you think the sky is blue and why it isn't red.”
    • “With the Socratic debate format, because we're not trying to pick a loser or a winner, it allows us to really focus on the issues and the merits of the different perspectives.”

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