Eric Mason and Kyle are here to spill the tea on America’s most complicated founding father—Thomas freaking Jefferson. He wrote the Declaration of Independence (cool), fought for liberty (also cool), but owned slaves while doing it (not cool, TJ). If you’ve ever wondered how someone could fight for freedom while running a plantation, buckle up—this one’s a ride.

They’ll break down how Jefferson went from rich Virginia kid to the brains behind America’s independence, only to turn around and make moves like the Embargo Act (yikes). Oh, and let’s not forget his very messy relationship with Sally Hemmings—because history is nothing if not complicated.

This is Jefferson like you’ve never seen him: flawed, fascinating, and proof that even the people we put on pedestals had major cracks.

Here’s What’s on the Table:

Jefferson: liberty preacher by day, slave owner by night. The Louisiana Purchase? Iconic. The Embargo Act? Embarrassing. His Scottish Enlightenment obsession built America—but also made him so pretentious. Sally Hemmings: DNA doesn’t lie, folks. Six kids and a legacy that’s still debated. "Separation of church and state"? Not in the Constitution—Jefferson just wrote it in a letter. Even Monticello is like, “Yeah, we’re still working on this guy.”

If you’re ready to dive into the glorious mess of one of history’s most problematic geniuses, this episode’s for you. Tune in—it’s about to get complicated and juicy.

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"Fife and Drum" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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