In today's interview we are joined by Jacob Hansen. Jacob Hansen is the host of the popular YouTube channel, "Thoughtful Faith."

In today's interview we talk about Jacob's faith remodeling (including the three levels of the faith discussion), how to sustain fallible leaders (who in theory have the potential to at times be wrong), and why institutional integrity matters.

For a deeper look into Jacob's faith remodeling and the three levels of the faith discussion, check out the videos below:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SB33fHXms

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpOMVxvU3Vo

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD4qujGZiLw

For a quick video on Jacob's collective witness model and how it relates to the issue of prophetic fallibility check out this video:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omi6rKpWfoQ