What does it actually look like to pursue a creative passion while still thriving in a full-time career? Ned Gow, drummer for No Cigar, talks about building and balancing a creative life alongside his full-time job — without sacrificing financial security.

Ned shares:

• 🎵 The discipline and structure behind juggling music and real estate
• 🌍 How travel and taking a break gave him clarity at a career crossroads
• 🧠 The mindset shifts that helped him back himself — even when it felt uncertain
• 💼 Why choosing the right boss matters more than the company 
• 🔥 How to avoid burnout while still chasing multiple goals

Whether you’re feeling boxed in by your 9–5, craving a creative outlet, or wondering if stepping back is the smartest way forward — this episode is packed with honest insights and next steps.